Piratis wrote:Viewpoint, do you have any arguments? Or the only think you know is how to make personal attacks? Believe me, I don't care about what you say about me. I know that the cause we are fighting for is just and right because:
1) I am asking for nothing more than democracy and human rights for all, including the respect of the 100% of your human and democratic rights, the way it exists in all other EU countries. (If what I am asking is wrong it would mean all other EU countries have a bad system as well).
2) What I ask for is perfectly aligned with the decisions of the European Court of Human Rights.
3) I do not ask from you to compromise any of your human, democratic, legal or other rights.
4) Your illegal puppet state has been illegal all this time for a reason. All your (and Lalas, Bg_turks etc) arguments seem to be ignoring this fact. Do you realize why your pseudo puppet state is illegal Viewpoint? If you do please tell me, I really want to hear what you think the reason is.
Go ask a British, a French, a German a Turk etc if they would accept what you are asking for their own country. The answer you will get is the same answer I give. Or do you think the Turks would accept to have an Annan plan kind of solution for Turkey were Kurds get the 50% of power and the 30% of land?
What you demand from us is outrageous, it exists nowhere else in the world, it is tailored made to your demands showing no respect even to our basic human and democratic rights and this is why it is rejected by us just like it would be rejected by anybody else for their own country.
For any negotiations to have a result unlike what happened in the past 30 years, you need to change your disrespectful attitude towards us and realize that there is no way we will accept legalization of your crimes against us.
Either there is a solution that respects the human and democratic rights of all Cypriots (win - win) or we remain enemies (loss - loss). What you envision, that you will somehow manage to come victorious out of this by gaining on our loss more than what proportionately belongs to the TC minority, will never happen.
I more than willing to discuss and accommodate your fears as long as this happens within the limits of democracy, human rights and is logical. For example the argument: We have fears thats why we need 30% land for our 18% minority, is baseless. The same goes for many other of your outrageous demands.
As long as what you ask for is not against our human and democratic rights we are more than willing to discuss it. We already accepted Turkish as an official language for example, something that bg_turk admitted that if Turks have been the majority they would never accept have Greek as an official language. We also accept that you can have your own federal state, but in the way federal states are in all federal countries (e.g. USA) and not again in a special way that exists nowhere else and it is tailored on your demands.
We are very flexible. As flexible as anybody from any country with some dignity would be. The problem is with your outrageous demands, not that we obviously can not accept them.
Piratis you sound like an old broken record and we have argued back and forth our differences many times, we finally agreed that what you envisage which you do not take the time to absorb is not very far from what we are saying and can only be attained via genuine negotiations or war. What you want will not drop out of the sky onto your lap just because you repeat it 50 times a day.
Do you agree on this point? Do you want negotiations or war? It appears to me you would rather wait for the balance of power to swing in your favor which you are free to do but that is not what I want.
Did/do (as you hold onto them so dearly today) we have a 1960 agreements between our 2 communites?
Does any other minority in the world have such partnership agreements?
Do the Kurds have such agreements with Turkey??Do the Pakistanis have such an agreements with the British?
Surely these agreements and the fact that Cyprus also belongs to us as much as you makes us just not any other minority. It in fact makes us your partner, a community whos fears and concerns have to be addressed just like I wish to address yours.
Why are you trying to block this fact out? Tunnelled vision prehaps?
Maybe because it serves your ultimate goal of a Greek Cypriot State?
Your chanting human rights and democracy in every post does not serve a purpose, talk is cheap but administering it and finding a balance is another matter. Your GC style of applying human rights would be to deport a settler who came to this island 30 years, who has buit a life here and has children, is this the human rights you defend in 2006?
We lost the political battle, you convinced the world that the TCs did not want any part of the "RoC" and that we were not necessary to make the "Roc" function thus you reached your goal of a purely GC state and that you respresented all Cypriots. The only snag was you may have left us out of the picture (which we at the time had no problems with as we were busy setting up our own state) but you had lost 1/3 of the island which was now under our control. The idea of not recognizing the North would contradict the idea of reunficiation which the world believed the GCs genuinely desired but as time passes the fact that this was not and is not the case will become more and more evident, who knows what will happen then.
Both sides messed up big time and instead of embracing the 1960 agreements we chose to pursue our hidden agendas to a degree where
we divided this island. Being illegal until or if a solution is found does not make me lose sleep at night but having to keep awake to protect my family at night from GC terrorists with the aim to make Cyprus a greek island would.
I do not want human rights and democracy to be administered purely by GCs, there should be a balance to ensure the interest of both communities, is this to much to ask?
The formula to find a solution that both communites can commit to has to be negotiated, otherwise we will be in stalemate for the foreseable future, or until the balance of power swings in your favor.
You and your leadership should concentrate more on working out and putting forward a road map and not objecting to every suggestion that comes along and expect everyone else to sort out our problems.
Everybody knows that except Turkey.
Where did you see the GC terrorists? What I see is 40.000 Turkish troops that occupy Cyprus. The occupation troops are real. Not imaginary like your terrorists. Why you always show GCs as monsters? To say that is correct to harm a monster? No we are not monsters and it is not correct that you harm us and occupy our land!
