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[Paphitis]

It appears not mate!

I think you left most of them behind and we got the good ones.

Pyro, the person who appears to be stuck are the one's that stayed behind like your good self.

The Cypriots that came to Australia for instance, really had a good crack at life and made something of themselves and actually made money even if it was in grocery stores, milk bars, cafes and restaurants.

And these "peasants" didn't want to entertain ANY thoughts of their children doing it tough like they had to when they left Cyprus and so they sacrificed to the point of taking the very bread out of their mouths to send their kids to good schools so they can grow up and have careers or start up successful businesses.

These are no peasants. These are salt of the earth people. I see the same quality in some new arrivals - Afghanis. These are AMAZING people.

The salt on earth are those who stay in their place and fight. Not the renegades who go after the easy life.
All the renegades eventually pay the price of been cowards, acquiring a confused identity, of neither Cypriot, nor Australian, or British.

You are a typical example, a confused person who in revenge doesn't miss a chance to mock the place where his father.... couldn't make it, and you wouldn't make it either.

Are you fighting Pyro? well done if you are. I will be the first to thank you.

But I am sorry but I don't see much fight in you unfortunately. You complain about your National Service.

I am not going to say anything about the British Cypriots because they are a bit half baked, but the Cypriots that actually went to the far outreaches of the earth (USA, Canada, NZ and Australia) have got some fight in them.

Just think about that for a second. Getting on a Ship and sailing the high seas to the other side of the world to a country and world that is so foreign to you...

Leaving Cyprus for Britain isn't a big leap of faith but going to America or Australia is like going to outer space in those days.

[Pyrpolizer]

Time for a real change!
Both the State and the parents are responsible for the well being,safety and education of children.

Set common syllabus for both private and public schools as a condition for public University entrance.
Set common 21st century rules and practices for the students in both private and public schools
Stop financing private schools, and set a committee to investigate the issue of "charity status" for those who claim such.
Tax private schools as every other business.
Ban the boarding schools by LAW.
Ban excessive pressure on children in primary and secondary education to outperform academically.
Ban the right of private schools to accept/reject children without getting their criteria approved by the Ministry of education.
Ban the right of Universities to reject students based on anything other than specified criteria common for the graduates of all schools.

Sorry but there is no replacement for the parents and the state can stay out of it because they have proven to be irresponsible with the new age bull shit which I and millions of other parents do not want our kids exposed to.

hence we we actually NEED private schools run by the Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and also the Orthodox.

I will trust the Catholic Church, Lutherans, Anglicans and Orthodox before I trust the Australian Education Departments that are run by new age socialist punks with pink hair and nose rings and tatts!

Who said anything about abolishing private schools?
You are wrong in thinking the parent has unlimited authority to do anything he wants with his child,like e.g. dumping it to a boarding school at the age of 5-6 y.o. The State itself has higher authority over a parent on issues concerning the well being of a child,
Furthermore some practices of the private schools (and public Universities) are clearly illegal as they are against the equal opportunity law.
Talking of the British system, their funding by the state is illegal.
In the US (and Cyprus as well) funding private schools is also illegal unless the private school is regulated by the State, and even then their funding is limited. You seem to think that funding should be equal to the cost per student in public schools, no it isn't and it can't be so.
There can only be some exceptions e.g. private schools for the handicap.

[Paphitis]

Time for a real change!
Both the State and the parents are responsible for the well being,safety and education of children.

Set common syllabus for both private and public schools as a condition for public University entrance.
Set common 21st century rules and practices for the students in both private and public schools
Stop financing private schools, and set a committee to investigate the issue of "charity status" for those who claim such.
Tax private schools as every other business.
Ban the boarding schools by LAW.
Ban excessive pressure on children in primary and secondary education to outperform academically.
Ban the right of private schools to accept/reject children without getting their criteria approved by the Ministry of education.
Ban the right of Universities to reject students based on anything other than specified criteria common for the graduates of all schools.

Sorry but there is no replacement for the parents and the state can stay out of it because they have proven to be irresponsible with the new age bull shit which I and millions of other parents do not want our kids exposed to.

hence we we actually NEED private schools run by the Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans and also the Orthodox.

I will trust the Catholic Church, Lutherans, Anglicans and Orthodox before I trust the Australian Education Departments that are run by new age socialist punks with pink hair and nose rings and tatts!

Who said anything about abolishing private schools?
You are wrong in thinking the parent has unlimited authority to do anything he wants with his child,like e.g. dumping it to a boarding school at the age of 5-6 y.o. The State itself has higher authority over a parent on issues concerning the well being of a child,
Furthermore some practices of the private schools (and public Universities) are clearly illegal as they are against the equal opportunity law.
Talking of the British system, their funding by the state is illegal.
In the US (and Cyprus as well) funding private schools is also illegal unless the private school is regulated by the State, and even then their funding is limited. You seem to think that funding should be equal to the cost per student in public schools, no it isn't and it can't be so.
There can only be some exceptions e.g. private schools for the handicap.

I don't know what planet you are on but in this Western Country parents have the right to home school their children.

We are not in a Socialist state here. We in a fully functioning and democratic country.

All private schools in this country are perfectly legal and abide by all laws and are of course equal opportunity. they accept children across all denominations but they will of course preference their own denomination first and foremost and divide all the remaining places. I as an Orthodox was educated in Catholic Schools. My children as Orthodox, have been accepted in Anglican Schools considered to be at the high end.

The very same school accepts children from all kinds of background.

The funding isn't illegal at all. These schools are education establishments which educate children and as such are entitled to their share of Government funding and assisting since they are responsible for the education and development of the children enrolled in their schools.

If the Government refuses to fund, then that is a massive violation and they would have to fund more schools so the private sector actually alleviates more costs to the tax payer at the end of the day.

This is Australia, not Cyprus.

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw since this a a CYPRUS forum, here are the most known private schools in Nicosia among a list of 16.

1.The English school and the Junior School
2.Terra Santa (italian Catholic/religious structure)
3.Falcon School
4.Grammar school
5.American Academy (I think that's in Larnaca actually)
6.Pascal
7.GC School

Does any of those offer superior education?
That's very doubtful. With the exception of the English school (E.S.) If you tell anyone you attend any of those, he will think you are just a rich guy who wants to have an easier access to English speaking Universities. I don't think anyone will consider you a better educated person. in fact the majority of Cypriots consider private school students to be dumb rich guys. The number one criterion for Cypriots is what section of PUBLIC high school you are attending and whether you excel (18.5+ out of 20) or not.

The truth is the best education is offered by the Sigma1 section of public schools but that's again for the top brains.
What all these private schools offer, is mastering the English language which is considered a plus especially if you will go to an English speaking University. But that's all about it.

The E.S. is a bit different though as it was always doing selective admission via exams, hence concentrating the best brains.This imo should be declared illegal but that's another story. While it did concentrate the best brains in the past, it gradually degraded, because the rich found a way to get their children in via preparatory teachers.In any case a top ES graduate is usually eligible for the top British Universities like Oxford etc. S/he often needs to do an additional year at the ES though (7 years instead of 6). Also while the average to top ES graduates may be accepted at British Medical schools, the same is not true even for the top graduates of the other private schools.

In general assuming my child had the mental ability to become a doctor, then the obvious best option for me would be the Signa1 of public schools.
Been a top student s/he may admitted anywhere, be it Greece, Germany, France and the UK.

The big con of the private schools in Cyprus, is actually their deficiency in the Greek language. This is a predominantly Greek speaking place and such graduates usually doing tons of spelling and grammar errors often look like illiterate.

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't know what planet you are on but in this Western Country parents have the right to home school their children.

We are not in a Socialist state here. We in a fully functioning and democratic country.

All private schools in this country are perfectly legal and abide by all laws and are of course equal opportunity. they accept children across all denominations but they will of course preference their own denomination first and foremost and divide all the remaining places. I as an Orthodox was educated in Catholic Schools. My children as Orthodox, have been accepted in Anglican Schools considered to be at the high end.

The very same school accepts children from all kinds of background.

The funding isn't illegal at all. These schools are education establishments which educate children and as such are entitled to their share of Government funding and assisting since they are responsible for the education and development of the children enrolled in their schools.

If the Government refuses to fund, then that is a massive violation and they would have to fund more schools so the private sector actually alleviates more costs to the tax payer at the end of the day.

This is Australia, not Cyprus.

And this is CYPRUS forum, where because of the many Cypriot-British forumers we are discussing the issue of British private schools.
We don't really care of what happens in Australia as we have nothing in common with you, nor do we share the common EU laws which clearly forbid the funding of private organizations.

You may fund your private schools more than you fund your public schools all you like, and be paradoxically legal, but we don't care.
https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/06/19/pu ... lassrooms/

That's illegal both in the EU and the USA, and all it needs is a single legal action in the UK to terminate it as well.
There have been hundreds in the USA.

[erolz66]

Oh but for a return of those Victorian values that still run through the British public school system today.

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/pun ... on-1303152

Swinburne attributed his taste for being flogged to his time at Eton and it became a lifelong obsession for him. He secretly wrote works with titles such as ‘The Whippingham Papers’, and ‘The Flogging Block: A Heroic Poem by Rufus Rodworthy, with annotations by Barebum Birchingham’. He is thought to have published several works anonymously in The Pearl, an underground pornographic magazine that ran from 1879-1880. One such work is Charlie Collingwood’s Flogging, by Etoniensis, that includes verses like this:

‘How his brawny bare haunches, all bloody, and wealed, with red furrows like ruts, Shrink quivering with pain at each stroke, that revives all the smart of past cuts! How the Schoolmaster seems to hit harder, the birch to sting more at each blow! Till at last Charlie Collingwood, writhing with agony, bellows out, "Oh!"’

But, for the madam Mary Wilson who penned the preface for ‘Venus School Mistress’, and many others, the English vice was directly linked to being birched at school. Mary considers the appeal of flagellation, and then concludes, "It is very true that there are innumerable old generals, admirals, colonels and captains, as well as bishops, judges, barristers, lords, commoners and physicians, who periodically go to be whipped, merely because it warms their blood, and keeps up a little agreeable excitement in their systems long after the power of enjoying the opposite sex has failed them; but it is equally true, that hundreds of young men through having been educated at institutions where the masters are fond of administering birch discipline, and recollecting certain sensations produced by it, have imbibed a passion for it, and have longed to receive the same chastisement from the hands of a fine woman."

Corporal punishment in school was finally outlawed by the British parliament in 1986, but private schools did not abolish it in England until 1998,

[erolz66]

Please look at these schools. They are actually charging upwards towards $40,000 per year.

Geelong Grammar

Sydney Church of England Girls Grammar

Ascham School

Cranbrook School

Scots College

Sydney Grammar School

Melbourne Girls Grammar

Presbetarian Girls College

Trinity Grammar School

Hayleybury College

The Kings School for boys

Brisbane Grammar

Nothing under 30K above.

Let's keep working through this list. It seems like there are still many working on the following principle as far as I can tell.


Geelong - number one public school in Australia, we have already covered. 5 separate cases of convicted paedophile teachers covering decades and an institutional culture of cover ups and denials.

So next on the list .....

[erolz66]

No 5 Scots College

https://koffels.com.au/call-for-witness ... s-college/

In 2013 Beckett was brought before the District Court of Adelaide in relation to the events of the school trip to central Australia in 1989 as the events had occurred in South Australia. After initially pleading not guilty, on the day of his trial in 2015, he pled guilty to three charges of indecent assault. Each charge carried a maximum sentence of eight years imprisonment.

On Friday, 12 June 2015, Beckett was sentenced in the District Court of Adelaide to a period of imprisonment for three years and eight months, with a non-parole period of two years. However, the sentence was suspended with Beckett instead placed on a good behaviour bond for two years and ordered to pay $1,000.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... chers.html

Tom Jackson told the ABC he complained to the school about 'notorious pedophile John Joseph Beckett who preyed on him and his two classmates in 1989 but they encouraged him not to approach police. 'The response at the end was: 'Don't talk to the police, we'll deal with it. He won't take the tour again',' Mr Jackson said.

He told a court that the school and its senior staff had failed to protect the young students he sexually abused during his time as a teacher considering he remained at the school after the complaint was made and was not arrested until two witnesses came forward to police.

[erolz66]

no 6 Sydney Grammar School

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-ac ... c467c48052

One of Australia’s most prestigious schools has issued a concrete apology to a boy who was “profoundly harmed” by serious sexual abuse from a female teacher. Sydney Grammar School printed the 313-word apology in The Sydney Morning Herald today, having taken out a quarter-page advertisement on page three. The boy was abused in 2016 by then teacher Bronwen Williams, who pleaded guilty in the NSW District Court to five counts of sexual intercourse with a person under her care.

[erolz66]

No 9 Trinity Grammar School

https://7news.com.au/news/crime/former- ... s-c-391281

A former employee of Melbourne's prestigious Trinity Grammar School has been sentenced to more than 15 years behind bars for sexually abusing six boys decades ago. Mark Watson, 67, whose work involved caring for boarding students, abused the boys between 1974 and 1985. Not all of his victims were students at the private school. In the County Court on Friday, Judge James Parrish sentenced him to 15 years and seven months in prison, with a non-parole period of 10 years and six months.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 4zxne.html

Melbourne private school Trinity Grammar has paid out $500,000 to a former student sexually abused by a teacher the school heads had labelled a “hero”.Christopher Howell was a senior teacher at the exclusive school for more than 40 years. He took his own life in January 2016, three days before he was due to face court on an indecent assault charge.On the day of the scheduled court appearance, then headmaster Michael Davies and his deputy Rohan Brown paid tribute to Howell’s “extraordinary legacy” despite knowing he had been charged with the child sex crime.“To many, including those penning this letter, Chris Howell was, is and always will be the best educator we have known,” they wrote in the letter to the school community. “He was a hero to many who worked with him and walked alongside him...he always worked in the best interest of the boys.”

The letter led to the president and treasurer of the Old Boys board to resign in disgust, and it also prompted John - not his real name - to come forward.

John, now in his 50s, said he was sexually assaulted twice by Howell in 1973 when he was a 15-year-old boarder at Trinity. One incident occurred in a tent during a bushwalking trip and the other happened about two weeks later in a storeroom on school grounds. He told his parents about the attacks the following year. His parents reported them to boarding master Leslie Wiggins, who was later convicted of molesting boys in Rosebud. They also told then headmaster John Leppitt. Both men rubbished John's claims.