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[cyprusgrump]

Elroz, your envy and jealousy of people better off then you is disgusting. I guess for a typical socialist this is normal, your 'why should someone have better then me' attitude stinks.
Shame on you.

They’re not better off than him though. He’s an ex-Public school boy. It became clear quite some time ago that this isn’t a political issue for him. It’s personal. In essence, pursuance of a grudge.

Yeah because actual experience is the worst way to uncover the failings of a system I guess. That's trip adviser fucked then. If only I had not gone to public school then no doubt you would respect my views, my right to hold them, my backing them up with actual evidence and the like all the more.

Still nothing from you on the substance of this topic then but just time to attack the messenger in order to ignore the message. I do have regard for consistency.

Yarp...

"Because I was bullied and buggered at a private school nobody should be allowed to send their children to a private school"...

[erolz66]

"Because I was bullied and buggered at a private school nobody should be allowed to send their children to a private school"...

You do not even have the guts to say directly that you are applying that 'quote' to me. Nothing to say about the evidence presented, that you said did not exist and challenged me to produce. No comment on that. Nothing. No comment on Paphitis' attempts to whitewash the crimes of known convicted and jailed child abusers. Nothing. Is there any line you would not cross in order to try 'win' in a discussion here ? How desperate. How sad. How sick.

[Londonrake]

Well, IIRC it started out in another thread as a debate (interesting but as always "animated" ) on Labour's proposals for the public school sector. Then, with your revelations about the bad experiences you had and the psychological damage done, it morphed into something which to me seemed entirely different.

But, come on, you clearly couldn't give a Tinker's cuss about both CG's and my kid's positive views and outcomes. It's a personal grudge thing.

In the other thread I explained clearly why I support such schools no longer getting subsidies from the exchequer to build things like swimming pools when they already have facilities far in excess of what state schools have. I explained why I also supported the idea of incorporating such schools in to the state system, namely that of not exposing anyone's children to the unnecessary increased risk of harm that such schools cause. I created this thread in response to the constant shouts on the other of 'prove it' and 'you can not prove it' and the like. 9 out 10 of the top Australian 'public' schools, as listed by Paphitis, have histories of sexual abuse of children at those schools with some like Geelong having multiple instances of serious sexual assaults over decades. 1 out of 10 of the top state schools in Australia by exam results has any history of sexual abuse and that was a consenting relationship between a female pupil and an older teacher. As I said before I presented this evidence I did so

in the knowledge and expectation that you Londonrake in all probability will not judge that evidence with an open mind, will not even attempt to do so. With the expectation that you almost certainly will however use the presentation of such evidence to try and denigrate me as an individual and person as a result

Have you said anything about the shocking levels of sexual abuse occurring in public schools ? Was there even a murmur from you when Paphitis tried to claim that convicted and jailed serious abuser of children in these schools had NOT ever been tried, not ever been judged, not ever been jailed and that it was just all made up by kids who probably had been thrown out of the schools for drug taking. No not a peep out of you on any of that. But still plenty of time time to 'pop in' and try and denigrate my character as a person. So predictable.

As for the positive experience of your daughter I again ask what part of 'on statistical average' was ambiguous or unclear ? I will ask again because the last time you put up this straw man argument I asked and you just ignored the question. Only to ask it again now. Have I ever said ALL children that attend such schools will have a bad experience ? Be damaged by that experience ? No I have not. My personal negative experience is no more indicative of the average than your daughters positive one. However the hard data is just that, hard data and it does speak to the average. This you ignore because you do not like 'where it leads', so you seek to cast aspersions on me as a person, which is exactly what I predicted you would do.

The discussion ceased to be about Labour’s vindictive and dogmatic class war policy on public schools quite some time ago. Sorry for your experiences but that’s what it’s boiled down to. A grudge-fest.

[erolz66]

The discussion ceased to be about Labour’s vindictive and dogmatic class war policy on public schools quite some time ago. Sorry for your experiences but that’s what it’s boiled down to. A grudge-fest.

Yeah not wanting tax payer money spent on 'public' schools like my old one is vindictive class war. And you have the balls to call me dogmatic. The evidence, that you do not like, can not face and need to find a way to ignore or dismiss for fear of where it might lead is not a grudge fest. It is just cold hard facts. Can not handle the message. Shoot the messenger. All as predicted.

[Londonrake]

The discussion ceased to be about Labour’s vindictive and dogmatic class war policy on public schools quite some time ago. Sorry for your experiences but that’s what it’s boiled down to. A grudge-fest.

Yeah not wanting tax payer money spent on 'public' schools like my old one is vindictive class war. And you have the balls to call me dogmatic. The evidence, that you do not like, can not face and need to find a way to ignore or dismiss for fear of where it might lead is not a grudge fest. It is just cold hard facts. Can not handle the message. Shoot the messenger. All as predicted.

Why do you have such a problem with - cannot?

Clearly, you had some very bad experiences at boarding school. You probably deeply resent being packed off there I imagine. Abandoned, in essence. Dunno. Sorry. You want to “save” others from suffering a similar fate. That’s commendable I suppose but it has nothing to do with politics, no matter how you dress it up and I’ve no interest in playing that game TBH.

[Paphitis]

I want to go off at a tangent and talk about this "Cypriot" thing for a bit. It is integral to my story, my personal story.

For my father the question of where to send his sons was simple. "Get them the best. Get them the most expensive."

For my father, my Cypriot father, there was a very real "physical" sense in which more expensive equated with better. For my father part of the point of having made it financially was to be able to display that success to others. This was true across the board for my father. In choice of house, choice of car. As a Cypriot village boy born in to sleepy Cypriot village existence in the 1930s who had gone to London to seek his fortune and "made it" an integral part of the enjoyment of such, the point of such, was to display it externally. Something, anything, that is more expensive is better at meeting this need than something less expensive. As far as I am concerned large elements of this reality for my father were deeply and inherently cultural. Culturally Cypriot. Inherently 'village culture'. My non Cypriot mother did not and does not have this same level of better being defined in absolute terms by price alone. Nor is their any value or interest for her in how effectively something displays wealth, displays success, or not. It is in my story a culturally Cypriot thing. A thing for me off my father.

In addition the 'nepotism' aspects of the British public school system, the priority given based on family and the like, these are in my view, aspects that resonated strongly with the kind of village Cypriot outlook my father had. The dynastic aspects of the public school selection system, the importance and priority of "who your people are" above just "what are the childs abilities", these are things that speak strongly to old school Cypriot identity that my father had. Privileged is supposed to follow family lines regardless of individual ability. That is built in to the public school selection system and I would claim also built in to the Cypriot identity to varying degrees.

Well your father was a very nice man by the sound of it, who wanted to give you the best.

It's a pity his money didn't achieve better results.

And the least you could do is be grateful.

[erolz66]

Clearly, you had some very bad experiences at boarding school. You probably deeply resent being packed off there I imagine. Abandoned, in essence. Dunno. Sorry. You want to “save” others from suffering a similar fate. That’s commendable I suppose but it has nothing to do with politics, no matter how you dress it up and I’ve no interest in playing that game TBH.

There either is on average a greater risk of harm to children that go to british style public schools or there is not. I claimed there is. You said nonsense, where is the evidence, there is no evidence. I provided evidence. In the face of the presentation of that evidence you have not commented on the evidence at all. You claim you have no interest in playing that game. You have however found the time to question my grammar and spelling, my character and speculate on my feelings and motivations. No matter how you dress it up I have little interest in playing THAT game.

[Paphitis]

I want to go off at a tangent and talk about this "Cypriot" thing for a bit. It is integral to my story, my personal story.

For my father the question of where to send his sons was simple. "Get them the best. Get them the most expensive."

For my father, my Cypriot father, there was a very real "physical" sense in which more expensive equated with better. For my father part of the point of having made it financially was to be able to display that success to others. This was true across the board for my father. In choice of house, choice of car. As a Cypriot village boy born in to sleepy Cypriot village existence in the 1930s who had gone to London to seek his fortune and "made it" an integral part of the enjoyment of such, the point of such, was to display it externally. Something, anything, that is more expensive is better at meeting this need than something less expensive. As far as I am concerned large elements of this reality for my father were deeply and inherently cultural. Culturally Cypriot. Inherently 'village culture'. My non Cypriot mother did not and does not have this same level of better being defined in absolute terms by price alone. Nor is their any value or interest for her in how effectively something displays wealth, displays success, or not. It is in my story a culturally Cypriot thing. A thing for me off my father.

In addition the 'nepotism' aspects of the British public school system, the priority given based on family and the like, these are in my view, aspects that resonated strongly with the kind of village Cypriot outlook my father had. The dynastic aspects of the public school selection system, the importance and priority of "who your people are" above just "what are the childs abilities", these are things that speak strongly to old school Cypriot identity that my father had. Privileged is supposed to follow family lines regardless of individual ability. That is built in to the public school selection system and I would claim also built in to the Cypriot identity to varying degrees.

Very true! And this peasant Cypriot culture extends for at least one more generation among of our expats.

This peasant Cypriot mindset must be alive and kicking in the UK, Western Europe, Australia, Canada and USA as well as some other countries which just so happen to feature among the highest on the HDI Index.

Yes there are elite schools which charge massive fees but in our economies there is this thing called supply and demand. usually they charge big fees because they are fine establishments and lots of people with Cypriot Peasant mentalities want to get their children into.

The peasants are YOU.

[Paphitis]

Money talks and BS walks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/educ ... 1573481712

In Australia, some of the most expensive suburbs are the ones that are near the best schools.

There is a reason for that.

[erolz66]

Money talks and BS walks.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/educ ... 1573481712

In Australia, some of the most expensive suburbs are the ones that are near the best schools.

There is a reason for that.

In Australia, some of the most expensive suburbs are the ones that are near the best STATE schools. There is a reason for that.