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[Paphitis]

The GREATEST Knowledge that the General should obtain is the KNOWLEDGE that he ....knows NOTHING. Or the words of ...yours truly, Fuck All.

If I were you I would stop posting and seek some help. You are becoming increasingly unstable, incoherent, and more and more volatile. I am starting to be very concerned about your well being.

R U OK?

[erolz66]

According to the Lisbon Treaty, every EU member State was suppose to have a referendum or vote.

Factually incorrect. No where in the lisbon treaty does it state that member states must ratify the treaty via a referendum. You are literally just making this stuff up.

[Paphitis]

It doesn't have to. They were never going to spell it out like that. it is however, implied.

It was according to the Commission an opportunity for all members to opt out and the only countries to offer that opportunity to its citizens were a mere 3 out of the 27.

[erolz66]

It doesn't have to. They were never going to spell it out like that. it is however, implied.

It was according to the Commission an opportunity for all members to opt out and the only countries to offer that opportunity to its citizens were a mere 3 out of the 27.

your claim was "According to the Lisbon Treaty, every EU member State was suppose to have a referendum or vote."

The idea that something could be 'according to a treaty' when that some thing does not appear IN the treaty at all is just nonsense. Your claim was simply factually wrong. Full stop.

[Paphitis]

Yes according to the Lisbon Treaty there was an opportunity to leave the EU.

To me and to everyone I have spoken to, this implies that it is the people that should have their say, not a few hundred elected people that were not elected on a Lisbon Treaty manifesto.

It is in my view quite outrageous that still to this day most countries have not consulted with the people on such a serious matter.

In 2004, I myself could have voted in favour of the EU, but increasingly more and more people are becoming euro-skeptic (its a growing industry) and people are now opting for Nationalist Governments. These types of Governments will only get stronger and stronger particularly in Southern Europe where the majority of people can't afford German Cars.

[erolz66]

Yes according to the Lisbon Treaty there was an opportunity to leave the EU.

To me and to everyone I have spoken to, this implies that it is the people that should have their say, not a few hundred elected people that were not elected on a Lisbon Treaty manifesto.

It is in my view quite outrageous that still to this day most countries have not consulted with the people on such a serious matter.

Which is a failing of NATIONAL governments not of the EU. It is up to individual member states of the EU to decide their own constitutional processes to ratify such treaties. This is because they are and remain in this regard sovereign. No external entity can tell them how they must do this. That is what sovereign means. Your claim that "According to the Lisbon Treaty, every EU member State was suppose to have a referendum or vote." is totally and absolutely incorrect. It is is fantasy. Made up. Easily shown to be totally incorrect. But yeah go ahead and keep digging if you like. I am going to pick more olives, a much more soul enhancing endeavour that trying to have a conversation with you here.

[Paphitis]

That could be a failing of the separate Nations but the reality is that it is also a failing of the EU.

The EU should have actually demanded that each State go to the people, but after the results in Denmark, Ireland, and Holland they knew that it would be dangerous so they did not press the issue because it would cost them.

We can see the EU even now try to delay and sabotage the British plebiscite, but alas for the EU, the chooks are coming to roost.

[miltiades]

General, Your views come out of your ...rear, where your brain is !! Try not to sit on it too long.
By the way, why did you pull your troops out of Syria and abandoned your allies the Kurds ??

[Paphitis]

General, Your views come out of your ...rear, where your brain is !! Try not to sit on it too long.
By the way, why did you pull your troops out of Syria and abandoned your allies the Kurds ??

Please do get better.

https://www.whatclinic.com/psychologist ... s/limassol

[erolz66]

That could be a failing of the separate Nations but the reality is that it is also a failing of the EU.

The EU should have actually demanded that each State go to the people, but after the results in Denmark, Ireland, and Holland they knew that it would be dangerous so they did not press the issue because it would cost them.

Which would have been a gross violation of member states sovereignty and simply illegal. There is no legal treaty or document or agreement that invests the EU with the power to do what you claim it should have done. Your argument is in short, you condemn the EU for violating member nations sovereignty because they did not illegally violate member states sovereignty as you think they should have done.