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[miltiades]

I know a lot more about the British mentality than you do.

Let's face it paphitis, in your head, you know a lot more about everything and anything than anyone else in the world. That such is physically impossible does not stop or cause you to doubt in any way your belief in your 'unmatched wisdom'.

The EU has shot itself in the foot, and the EU attempts to annex part of the United Kingdom's territory is a very clear unfriendly action against the sovereignty of The UK.

A cowardly unattributed back door dominic cummings inspired 'leak' stating a one sided partisan interpretation of conversation between Johnson and Merkel does not represent reality. If you want to talk about annexation of NI, where the word annexation actually has any meaning, then you need to look back in to history and the UK colonial dominance and control of Ireland to understand why NI even is today UK territory at all.

One thing I can never compromise is my countries institutions and the institution of DEMOCRACY itself.

NI democratically voted, overwhelmingly, to remain in the EU.

I sussed this idiot years ago.He is delusional, Lives in a fool's paradise,,imagines him self as Pilot when in fact he is a steward. He had a lot of respect for a member calling him self Shaznigger, or something similar? A pervert and a staunch supporter of ISIS
This moron had tremendous respect for this pervert he even posted" I take my hat off to you" His comments on the Syrian war were comical to say the least. He loves Trump whom he once described as an idiot and his new found heroes The Clown and the Arsehole.
He is convinced that he knows the English far better than a man who lived amongst them for over half a century !!
He is a complete and utter moron,, hence the reason I respond the way that I do.

[Pyrpolizer]

Paphitis,
i personally can't claim I know the Anglo mentality and culture as most of you in this forum, but I can assure you I know other European cultures and each and everyone claims they are the best. In my personal opinion each has it's merits accompanied by a high dose of ignorance and contempt for other cultures. Believe it or not there are countries in Europe that consider the UK an insignificant country...
And sorry to hurt you, but they also consider Australia to be more insignificant than the UK.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis,
i personally can't claim I know the Anglo mentality and culture as most of you in this forum, but I can assure you I know other European cultures and each and everyone claims they are the best. In my personal opinion each has it's merits accompanied by a high dose of ignorance and contempt for other cultures. Believe it or not there are countries in Europe that consider the UK an insignificant country...
And sorry to hurt you, but they also consider Australia to be more insignificant than the UK.

Everyone has a healthy does of racism or self belief, but the arrogance of the Germans in particular knows no bounds.

the Brits at one end of the scale, just want to leave the EU. It's a fair request. They have every right.

What the EU (or Germany in particular) do not have a right to do, is place any demands on the UK, which undermines their sovereithy or territorial integrity. That is something which is extremely offensive, perhaps illegal, and immoral.

I single out the Germans and perhaps the French because most of the other countries in the EU, Cyprus included, probably don't care about the UK leaving and certainly do not want to place questionmarks on their territorial integrity.

What the EU has done (again must single out Germany and perhaps France) is insult an entire Nation and act in a hostile manner. this is no way to be treating an ally and neighbor.

I am really sorry to disagree with you but the UK isn't insignificant. It is the second biggest net contributor to the EU. The EU is obviously hellbent trying to thwart the democratic processes of the UK and thwart BREXIT so I don't think the EU see BREXIT or the UK as insignificant. It's the 5th largest economy in the world. It's also a permanent member of the UN Security Council, is a signatory to the UN Charter and its sovereignty and territorial integrity is sacrosanct.

As for Australia, it isn't insignificant either. It's a massive economy and the biggest global exporter of resources and energy. That is by far an extremely significant thing. Australia, is the 12th largest economy in the world. It has the highest living standards in the world, and the highest wealth per citizen. Probably the best cities in the world, with the highest or second highest HDI in the world. Our cities are more beautiful and more livable than any European City and just a lot nicer.

As far as Energy is concerned, Australia is a far bigger producer of Energy than all of the EU combined. I'm talking in terms of Natural gas, Liquefied Natural Gas, Oil, Coal, Lithium, and Uranium production.

[Pyrpolizer]

What the EU (or Germany in particular) do not have a right to do, is place any demands on the UK, which undermines their sovereithy or territorial integrity. That is something which is extremely offensive, perhaps illegal, and immoral.

So in your sentimental world:

a)UK's demand to exit the EU, while at the same time have a part of it's territory both inside and outside the EU , does not undermine the UK's sovereignty , neither it's territorial integrity, is not offensive, neither illegal nor immoral.

b)Neither it is illegal and immoral for the UK to demand the EU to take the RISK of destroying the Single market and stability of 27 Countries just for the UK to have her own party.

You should try learning the facts Paphitis. It's the UK who placed demands on the EU not the other way round.

[Paphitis]

What the EU (or Germany in particular) do not have a right to do, is place any demands on the UK, which undermines their sovereithy or territorial integrity. That is something which is extremely offensive, perhaps illegal, and immoral.

So in your sentimental world:

a)UK's demand to exit the EU, while at the same time have a part of it's territory both inside and outside the EU , does not undermine the UK's sovereignty , neither it's territorial integrity, is not offensive, neither illegal nor immoral.

b)Neither it is illegal and immoral for the UK to demand the EU to take the RISK of destroying the Single market and stability of 27 Countries just for the UK to have her own party.

You should try learning the facts Paphitis. It's the UK who placed demands on the EU not the other way round.

Of course it isn't immoral or illegal for ANY EU member to want to leave the EU if they want to leave the EU.

What the UK did is give the people a say. now this mandate must be executed according to all the promises.

I believe that British Sovereign Customs Union has precedence over the EU Customs Union. it has to be the case. Now, in order to have minimalist disruption on the island of Ireland, the EU and the UK will need to somehow implement procedures to electronically do Customs Checks away from the actual border areas and maintain a minimalist visual impact as far as is practiceable in order to not spark any unpleasant situations.

I am sorry but the UK can not undermine the stability of the Customs Union or the stability of 27 countries. That is total nonsense.

What the UK wants to do is leave, and perhaps enter into a Free Trade arrangement at some point in the future if you want it otherwise trade will continue under WTO provisions.

They are a sovereign nation and do not owe the EU anything.

[miltiades]

Hey stupid. Is Scotland not a part of the UK, NI Ireland also ? They voted remain you imbassil. Also get your facts straight.
The UK isn't the second largest EU contributor. Get your head out of your arse Plonker.

[Kikapu]

..........................I musn't forget of my adopted country of Switzerland, which is made up of 26 Cantons. Yes, you got it, I live in a communist country.

You're an inhabitant of Switzerland? That's very interesting. No stranger to referendums then. How do you feel about your country's relationship with the EU? There were quite a few articles some months ago suggesting that the federation was sort of shafting the place - and talk of how Switzerland were either retaliating or circumventing it. Do please tell.

Let me just state up front that I am not a citizen of Switzerland, therefore I cannot vote on any of her referendums, therefore, I do not get too involved with the initiatives which are voted on. Switzerland has Direct Democracy where referendums voted on are implemented providing the referendum has met all the requirements to be valid. If not, then the referendum passed by the people is not implemented. Very simple.

Switzerland is not an EU member as the Swiss twice voted it down in a referendum, but does have bilateral agreements which covers many of EU values, including circumstances around the single market initiatives. Many EU citizens live and work in Switzerland because of those bilateral agreements. I don’t know what issues you are talking about Switzerland having issues with the EU, but so what? If there are issues the Swiss want to address with the EU, they are free to do so as any member state can.

[Pyrpolizer]

What the EU (or Germany in particular) do not have a right to do, is place any demands on the UK, which undermines their sovereithy or territorial integrity. That is something which is extremely offensive, perhaps illegal, and immoral.

So in your sentimental world:

a)UK's demand to exit the EU, while at the same time have a part of it's territory both inside and outside the EU , does not undermine the UK's sovereignty , neither it's territorial integrity, is not offensive, neither illegal nor immoral.

b)Neither it is illegal and immoral for the UK to demand the EU to take the RISK of destroying the Single market and stability of 27 Countries just for the UK to have her own party.

You should try learning the facts Paphitis. It's the UK who placed demands on the EU not the other way round.

Of course it isn't immoral or illegal for ANY EU member to want to leave the EU if they want to leave the EU.

What the UK did is give the people a say. now this mandate must be executed according to all the promises.

I believe that British Sovereign Customs Union has precedence over the EU Customs Union. it has to be the case. Now, in order to have minimalist disruption on the island of Ireland, the EU and the UK will need to somehow implement procedures to electronically do Customs Checks away from the actual border areas and maintain a minimalist visual impact as far as is practiceable in order to not spark any unpleasant situations.

I am sorry but the UK can not undermine the stability of the Customs Union or the stability of 27 countries. That is total nonsense.

What the UK wants to do is leave, and perhaps enter into a Free Trade arrangement at some point in the future if you want it otherwise trade will continue under WTO provisions.

They are a sovereign nation and do not owe the EU anything.

Then leave and take NI with you, and stop begging the EU to accept your terms that would jeopardize the stability of 27 Countries.
It's the UK who tries to blackmail the EU, not the other way round.
The EU will never yield to stupid British untested experiments.

[Pyrpolizer]

..........................I musn't forget of my adopted country of Switzerland, which is made up of 26 Cantons. Yes, you got it, I live in a communist country.

You're an inhabitant of Switzerland? That's very interesting. No stranger to referendums then. How do you feel about your country's relationship with the EU? There were quite a few articles some months ago suggesting that the federation was sort of shafting the place - and talk of how Switzerland were either retaliating or circumventing it. Do please tell.

Let me just state up front that I am not a citizen of Switzerland, therefore I cannot vote on any of her referendums, therefore, I do not get too involved with the initiatives which are voted on. Switzerland has Direct Democracy where referendums voted on are implemented providing the referendum has met all the requirements to be valid. If not, then the referendum passed by the people is not implemented. Very simple.

Switzerland is not an EU member as the Swiss twice voted it down in a referendum, but does have bilateral agreements which covers many of EU values, including circumstances around the single market initiatives. Many EU citizens live and work in Switzerland because of those bilateral agreements. I don’t know what issues you are talking about Switzerland having issues with the EU, but so what? If there are issues the Swiss want to address with the EU, they are free to do so as any member state can.

I think he mixed up Belgium with Switzerland

[Lordo]

just before our referendum, switzerland was voicing concerns about freedom of movement from the eu and were going to hold a referendum for it. eu gave them an ultimatum, they are free to do as they will but if they stop freedom of movement their agreement with the eu will be cancelled. naturally they saw sense and decided against holding such a referendum

just a couple of months ago i was with a financial director of a company, and could not resist to ask how brexit would affect their business as so much of their exports were for the eu. no problem she said. we will go via switzerland. isn't that just fine and dandy. but i asked what about regulations; she said no problem we will produce to their spec no matter what the crazy son of a bitch comes up with at no 10 was the answer.

i do however wonder how much switzerland will charge them for this service when they were getting it for free before.

which is why it was obvious when b'stard calimed he will stop freedom of movement and get a deal on fta, either he was ignorant of the facts or he was being himslef a liar. i tend to believe the latter.