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Re: what next?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:53 pm

erolz66 wrote:There are still some voices of reason out there. Too few maybe and too drowned out by the shouters but they are there at least.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/br ... 52036.html


No, we heard all the "voices of reason" in the referendum campaign and - who's shouting? Mostly it seems to me, Remainers. Leavers on the whole are "The silent majority"............................... patiently waiting for their day. :wink:

It's all been said, so many times but of course, as a "democrat" you won't be happy and will go on and on (shouting?) saying and posting basically the same thing over and over forever.

Take a day off. Go to the beach with Lordo. 8)
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Re: what next?

Postby erolz66 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:12 pm

Londonrake wrote:
erolz66 wrote:There are still some voices of reason out there. Too few maybe and too drowned out by the shouters but they are there at least.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/br ... 52036.html


No, we heard all the "voices of reason" in the referendum campaign and - who's shouting? Mostly it seems to me, Remainers. Leavers on the whole are "The silent majority"............................... patiently waiting for their day. :wink:

It's all been said, so many times but of course, as a "democrat" you won't be happy and will go on and on (shouting?) saying and posting basically the same thing over and over forever.

Take a day off. Go to the beach with Lordo. 8)


One could be be forgiven for thinking that when confronted with views that do not reinforce what you want to believe you just find excuses to ignore them entirely ;) Yes I keep saying that I will accept any form of leaving that commands majority support. Because it is true and it is what a genuine belief in democracy requires. The only thing I will not support is a form a leaving the EU that does not have majority support of the people being forced through despite it not having majority support of the people. Because that is not democracy that is abuse of democratic principal. I go to the beach and swim 2 or three times a week btw. Maybe, just maybe it is you and Paphitis that would benefit more by a bit of beach time ?

There is much truth in what this 'leaver' of 30 years is saying. Best for you not to even hear it I guess, let alone consider it and make your arguments for why you do not agree with it. Easier too. I mean your attention span for anything other than slogans does seem somewhat restricted. Here are some snippets from the article for you.

And sadly, because Brexit has become an unintended revolution, the Brexit many voted for in good faith, is now dead.


And worse, the “alt-right” Brexit seems predicated on portraying every legitimate exercise of scrutiny as elites conspiring to thwart the will of the people.


The very criticism we (rightly) made about the EU must now be levelled against ourselves: we use sophistry to avoid the need to justify outcomes which lack democratic consent, we misrepresent obvious realities, and we ignore the rules to suit our objectives.


I cannot, with any credibility, be critical of an EU which preaches democratic values it does not sufficiently practise whilst not at the same time criticising what Brexit has become; a bitter, hate-filled revolution which if not redirected, will damage our country, its global standing and its peoples for many years to come.


And parliament, not the government, is the people, so parliament, and not government, must be the final arbiter of how Brexit is implemented.
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Re: what next?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:15 pm

Continuing my previous post:
The big advantage after we joined the EU was that we didn't have to pay the VAT in advance.
The VAT was only becoming payable after selling the goods.
Now regarding the clearing costs:
Supposedly when importing from an EU country those should drop down to zero. However they didn't. There were still shipping documents that needed clearance, so you had to pay someone to do the paper work. The result was that the earlier CYP150 dropped to about 60 Euro.

Another issue that most people seem to take very lightly is the checks. No matter where the checks will be done, no matter how much computerization will be there, the physical checks by customs officers are unavoidable. There will also be random physical checks at the importers end as well. I was once unlucky enough to have a physical check on a consignment and it cost me a lot having to pay two customs officers on overtime hourly rate let aside the delay and nuisance, as they wanted to unpack some to be sure .
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Re: what next?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:29 pm

Londonrake wrote:
erolz66 wrote:There are still some voices of reason out there. Too few maybe and too drowned out by the shouters but they are there at least.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/br ... 52036.html


No, we heard all the "voices of reason" in the referendum campaign and - who's shouting? Mostly it seems to me, Remainers. Leavers on the whole are "The silent majority"............................... patiently waiting for their day. :wink:

It's all been said, so many times but of course, as a "democrat" you won't be happy and will go on and on (shouting?) saying and posting basically the same thing over and over forever.

Take a day off. Go to the beach with Lordo. 8)


Actually everybody shouts but the ones who shout the most are the hermaphrodite leavers when they hear BOJO telling them it's going to be with no deal.
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Re: what next?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:01 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Actually everybody shouts but the ones who shout the most are the hermaphrodite leavers when they hear BOJO telling them it's going to be with no deal.


I've always said that I didn't believe Johnson would or could deliver on his promises. That's beginning to look like a winning bet.

I lost trust in both major parties a long time ago. Liars.

Like your mate, you simply can't post without adding an insult or two - ehh?. Juvenile and detracting from your POV. On the positive side - at least you can spell. :wink:
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:36 pm

Londonrake wrote:You really do, don't you? Sit there all day, every day, hands poised over the keyboard, waiting for the next response to arrive. When it doesn't come quick enough you churn out sequential post after post after post. Sometimes 3 or 4 in a row.

Lordo, you are a sad man. You really need to look into getting some sort of life. You know, a meaningful existence, outside of this little forum. :roll:

Here's an idea! You could sign up at the local poly for a course in English. Like a lot of other "Pibol". A bit like the 70/80s TV series - Mind your language. :wink:

are you telling me you knew all along that it would cost us about 3 billion a month in taxes of what we import from the eu under wto and it will also be taxed 2.5 billion a month taxes on our exports and on top of that we would aslo pay 1 billion on administration as opposed being in and paying 0.75 bilion a month and you voted toleave, worse still even now you are still convinced that you were right?

as to takein time off, trust me i spend less than half an hour a day here and leaves me 23.5 hours a day to make a living and a comfortable one at that and enjoy life too. perhaps the half an hour i spend and the volume explains the spelling. who cares? if you don't understand what is being typed, the problem is yours not mine.
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:41 pm

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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:46 pm

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Re: what next?

Postby erolz66 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:24 pm

Londonrake wrote:I lost trust in both major parties a long time ago. Liars.


As a self proclaimed 'democrat' where dos that leave you then exactly ? Wishing that a man that has tried to become an MP 7 times and failed each time will replace and become a major party perhaps ?

Londonrake wrote:Like your mate, you simply can't post without adding an insult or two - ehh?


And you ? Is this something you perceive you do not do ? Consistency or lack of it, is the signpost of hypocrisy imo.
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:35 pm

i imagine them like one of those animals who stumble upon a marula tree. enjoy.

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