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[Paphitis]

Repetitive ridiculously audacious statements by the millionaire pretend!!

HDY petsoeyere!

[Paphitis]

60% of Brits want to leave on 31st of October!

Bye bye remoaners.

[Paphitis]

[Kikapu]

I see. You mean the same UN that prevented the break up of Yugoslavia with thousands of deaths in Europe, not to mentions many other conflicts around the world. Is that the same undemocratic UN you are talking about? Isn't funny, that all the once satellite states of Yugoslavia have either already or wants to become an EU member. Is it because the EU provides economic and political stability to the whole of Europe? Surely that can't be!

Racism and fascism is already taking place in the UK with the likes of Boris Johnson, the Tory party and it's supporters, which even the brother of Boris can't take it and left the party. It will only get worse if the UK is completely out of the EU with no oversight of the EU values the UK has enjoyed for the past half a century. I am glad I do not live in the UK.

Yugoslavia was always going to break up.

Nothing the UN, EU or NATO can do about it.

Kikapu, I am astonished you are calling Boris' supporters as being fascist and racist. It's a complete cop out.

It's seems to be flavour of the month now to call people who have some pride in their country as patriots and who wish to maintain their way of life as they know it, as being racist and fascist.

The fascists Kikapu, are not the Brits, or the Hungarians. They are patriots.

The fascists are the EU who treated Greece, Spain, Portugal and Cyprus the way they did with massive austerity and the EU who disrespects the democratic wishes of the British People in the biggest vote held in Britain in living memory.

Racism comes in many different forms, and yes, Boris is a racist along with Farage. They don’t need to wear KKK outfits, but look at their racist drives during the referendum, which were pointed at the Poles, who had legal rights to be in the UK and towards the Turks should they become an EU members. Surely you don’t think Boris is a Democrat, do you? Boris talks about democracy when it suits him but then throws 21 of his MPs out of the Tory party because these MPs used their democratic rights to vote against the Tory Party’s wishes. Was is not the people who had voted these 21 MPs into the Tory party democratically in the first place? What gives Boris the right to disenfranchise those who had voted for these 21 Tory MPs. When Boris’s own brother walked away from Boris and the Tory party, only shows how disgusted he was with Boris and the Tory party to what they stood for.

On the subject of “protecting one’s culture’, just how do you propose the UK will do that by being out of the EU? All advanced growing economies need more workers that their country can produce due to low birth rates. Does it matter if these workers come legally from EU states who have European cultures with freedom of movement or with a point system from around the world which may not have European cultures, but instead totally different ones. Protecting the British culture argument is a totally bullshit argument as it cannot be protected 100%. The EU citizens in the UK are more likely to integrate to British culture far more than those from most other countries who may be coming on point system, or is the point system is just a front to discriminate certain people from different cultures from coming to the UK? That too can be considered to be racist, no?

Hyperbole!

But yes, I understand when that side is faced with a losing battle, their only tactic is to discredit, and accuse the opposition of racism, fascism, and compare them to all kinds of nasty things like the KKK and Nazism.

But here are the facts. If I was white like Boris and Nigel are, I too would be accused of being a KKK or Hitler incarnate. Nothing can be further from the truth.

I love and respect other cultures and love plurality. I, much like Boris and Nigel would like to defend democracy, the right of the common citizen, the worker, and the sovereign borders of nation states like Britain, Cyprus and all the nations of the world,

The other irony is this. Those who label us as KKK and Nazis, about to shove hundreds of people into gas chambers, it is in fact they who are compromising democracy and therefore by definition far closer to the KKK and Nazism than we can ever be.

How can Britain protect its sovereignty and culture. They can regain control of their border and introduce the Australian Immigration points system which they have been wanting to do.

Paphitis,
No one accusing anyone being a KKK or being a Nazi. All I said was, that racism comes in many forms and one does not need to be wearing a KKK outfit, that’s all. That is a huge difference from your response.

[miltiades]

He is by far the biggest idiot that this forum has ever had!!
Shouldn't he be concentrating on his million plus , tax deductible debts ?? Wish I was a millionaire instead of a ...pauper !!

[Kikapu]

Paphitis seems to have an obsession with all the videos he is posting, videos where the creators are pushing their own agendas in creating fake "news" and in most cases, just to get attention of unsuspecting audience in order to sell some online products. He is most definitely spending too much time watching these biased videos.

[Pyrpolizer]

I'm not talking about Cyprus at all.

I just used Cyprus as an example to prove to you that a trade deficit does not translate into Government debt. I explained to you that the majority of trade occurs from business and individual consumers.

If it did translate into debt, Cyprus Government debt will increase by 5 to 6 billion Euros per year. That is not sustainable at all.

What translates into debt is when the Government spends more than it raises in tax and other income.

I am just trying to help you.

The issue was not about that but for the loss of culture.
As for the trade deficit yes it does translate into debt when you can't cover it fromother sources be it foreign investment or Services
The whole point was that there is no valid basis to expect the UK to reduce it's trade deficit or increase it's services sector.

That was not a criticism about Cyprus. That is concern.

I feel concerned that Cyporus will indeed lose its culture over time. Not only will it lose its culture, but eventually the Cypriots will lose politically and I don't wish to spell it out for you although I would be happy to PM you.

No the trade deficit does not translate to debt at all unless you are specifically only talking about trade conducted by the Cyprus Government which is only a very small proportion of the total trade.

Most global trade is conducted by Corporations and businesses. Even individuals like us trade when we buy stuff over the net. The item we are buying is coming from somewhere overseas and hence that is trade. For example, fuel which is a big item for any country is imported to Cyprus from major Fuel Suppliers like Shell, BP etc and are distributed to their Cypriot wholesalers in Cyprus which is then sold throughout the island's supply chain. The Government would buy very little from that other than what it needs for the Military, to run essential Government Services such as police, health system and so on. Even JETA1 is supplied to the airports from Shell, and BP to their Cypriot wholesalers who on sell to their Airport Fueling Agents.

If trade deficits translate to debt, then Cyprus is literally a Bankrupted State.

https://in-cyprus.com/cyprus-trade-defi ... pril-2019/

I repeat: they translate into debt as assets owned by foreigners IF YOU DON'T OFFSET them by foreign investment or services. Services include tourism, telecommunications, information, travel, transportation,construction, financial services,insurance and many others totaling about 7bn in 2018. We were on the minus regarding services only on a few items items e.g intellectual property, services received by business, and recreational/cultural services etc. Hence Cyprus' debt is actually decreasing.

[Pyrpolizer]

Of course I disagreed and still do.
It's clear that you haven't yet realized that sometimes I prefer letting you talk to yourself, rather than waste my time

I posted the evidence and there is a lot of evidence on the net that supports what I said.

If you disagree with fact, then perhaps you should stop posting because you would appear foolish otherwise.

There is no zone on the planet that the EU outperforms other than perhaps level peg with Latin and Central America if they lucky. Everyone else is kicking EU Arse!

Yeah, right, cherry picking is easy. Once taking the values that suit you for the EU as a whole, the other time taking the values of the Eurozone etc etc. You don't even know that the growth of GDP DOES NOT qualify as the overall performance of an economy. An already developed economy is always destined to have less GDP growth than a developing country however which of the 2 economies performs better?
This explains your fallacy that the EU is the worst performing economy.
In any case you said what you had to say, I said what I had to say, going round in circles is meaningless.
Probably we are both wrong,or both partially right,or only one of us is right. It doesn't matter.
That's the whole point of discussions Paphitis,learning and challenging.
Now I let you once again have the final word, because I know you are dying for it as always.

[erolz66]

I feel concerned that Cyporus will indeed lose its culture over time. Not only will it lose its culture, but eventually the Cypriots will lose politically and I don't wish to spell it out for you although I would be happy to PM you.

Cypriot culture has survived and evolved for millennia. It has survived and in some cases culturally outlasted Phoenician rule, Assyrian rule, Persian rule, Alexandrian rule, Ptolemaic rule, Roman rule, Byzantine rule, Crusader rule, Lusigian rule, Genoese dominance, Mameluk rule, Venician rule, Ottoman rule, British rule.

Yet you would have us believe that the EU, that Cypriots democratically chose to join, is some kind of existential threat to Cypriot culture, which is, according to your project fear agenda on the verge of extinction. Such is the argument of a charlatan. Stop talking down Cyprus. Stop portraying its culture as weak and under threat merely in order to serve your personal political agenda. Have some fucking faith and belief in the strength of Cypriot culture and stop denigrating it.

[B25]

I feel concerned that Cyporus will indeed lose its culture over time. Not only will it lose its culture, but eventually the Cypriots will lose politically and I don't wish to spell it out for you although I would be happy to PM you.

Cypriot culture has survived and evolved for millennia. It has survived and in some cases culturally outlasted Phoenician rule, Assyrian rule, Persian rule, Alexandrian rule, Ptolemaic rule, Roman rule, Byzantine rule, Crusader rule, Lusigian rule, Genoese dominance, Mameluk rule, Venician rule, Ottoman rule, British rule.

And during all this time they remain Cypriot (and Hellenic), and then come the Ottoman Rule and they would have you believe that Cyprus was Turkish ffs. Thanks for the reminder all the same.