Kikapu wrote:Paphitis wrote:Kikapu wrote:cyprusgrump wrote:Kikapu wrote:It is amazing how some people would love to see the end of the EU, the longest peacetime in Europe, to perhaps the return of fascism and wars. This is what happens when stupid people who have never faced wars personally are first in tempting fate.
It is the UN that has been the peacekeeping force, not the EU...
And don't you think the idea that the whole of Europe is going to be teleported back to the 1930s because they can't buy tomatoes tariff free from each other a bit far fetched...?
I see. You mean the same UN that prevented the break up of Yugoslavia with thousands of deaths in Europe, not to mentions many other conflicts around the world. Is that the same undemocratic UN you are talking about? Isn't funny, that all the once satellite states of Yugoslavia have either already or wants to become an EU member. Is it because the EU provides economic and political stability to the whole of Europe? Surely that can't be!
Racism and fascism is already taking place in the UK with the likes of Boris Johnson, the Tory party and it's supporters, which even the brother of Boris can't take it and left the party. It will only get worse if the UK is completely out of the EU with no oversight of the EU values the UK has enjoyed for the past half a century. I am glad I do not live in the UK.
Yugoslavia was always going to break up.
Nothing the UN, EU or NATO can do about it.
Kikapu, I am astonished you are calling Boris' supporters as being fascist and racist.
It's a complete cop out.
It's seems to be flavour of the month now to call people who have some pride in their country as patriots and who wish to maintain their way of life as they know it, as being racist and fascist.
The fascists Kikapu, are not the Brits, or the Hungarians. They are patriots.
The fascists are the EU who treated Greece, Spain, Portugal and Cyprus the way they did with massive austerity and the EU who disrespects the democratic wishes of the British People in the biggest vote held in Britain in living memory.
Racism comes in many different forms, and yes, Boris is a racist along with Farage. They don’t need to wear KKK outfits, but look at their racist drives during the referendum, which were pointed at the Poles, who had legal rights to be in the UK and towards the Turks should they become an EU members. Surely you don’t think Boris is a Democrat, do you? Boris talks about democracy when it suits him but then throws 21 of his MPs out of the Tory party because these MPs used their democratic rights to vote against the Tory Party’s wishes. Was is not the people who had voted these 21 MPs into the Tory party democratically in the first place? What gives Boris the right to disenfranchise those who had voted for these 21 Tory MPs. When Boris’s own brother walked away from Boris and the Tory party, only shows how disgusted he was with Boris and the Tory party to what they stood for.
On the subject of “protecting one’s culture’, just how do you propose the UK will do that by being out of the EU? All advanced growing economies need more workers that their country can produce due to low birth rates. Does it matter if these workers come legally from EU states who have European cultures with freedom of movement or with a point system from around the world which may not have European cultures, but instead totally different ones. Protecting the British culture argument is a totally bullshit argument as it cannot be protected 100%. The EU citizens in the UK are more likely to integrate to British culture far more than those from most other countries who may be coming on point system, or is the point system is just a front to discriminate certain people from different cultures from coming to the UK? That too can be considered to be racist, no?
Hyperbole!
But yes, I understand when that side is faced with a losing battle, their only tactic is to discredit, and accuse the opposition of racism, fascism, and compare them to all kinds of nasty things like the KKK and Nazism.
But here are the facts. If I was white like Boris and Nigel are, I too would be accused of being a KKK or Hitler incarnate. Nothing can be further from the truth.
I love and respect other cultures and love plurality. I, much like Boris and Nigel would like to defend democracy, the right of the common citizen, the worker, and the sovereign borders of nation states like Britain, Cyprus and all the nations of the world,
The other irony is this. Those who label us as KKK and Nazis, about to shove hundreds of people into gas chambers, it is in fact they who are compromising democracy and therefore by definition far closer to the KKK and Nazism than we can ever be.
How can Britain protect its sovereignty and culture. They can regain control of their border and introduce the Australian Immigration points system which they have been wanting to do.