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[cyprusgrump]

I see. You mean the same UN that prevented the break up of Yugoslavia with thousands of deaths in Europe, not to mentions many other conflicts around the world. Is that the same undemocratic UN you are talking about? Isn't funny, that all the once satellite states of Yugoslavia have either already or wants to become an EU member. Is it because the EU provides economic and political stability to the whole of Europe? Surely that can't be!

Racism and fascism is already taking place in the UK with the likes of Boris Johnson, the Tory party and it's supporters, which even the brother of Boris can't take it and left the party. It will only get worse if the UK is completely out of the EU with no oversight of the EU values the UK has enjoyed for the past half a century. I am glad I do not live in the UK.

You may recall that after the war the perceived threat was not from anther war within Europe but from Russian tanks rolling into Germany.

So yes, the UN played a large part in keeping the peace in Europe.

As for Yugoslavia, I think you'll find that the EU has little to be proud of in that particular historical episode.

As for political and economic stability, you should ask the millions of unemployed across Europe or those rioting in France about that...

And how helpful has the EU been solving Cyprob...?

[miltiades]

Just as helpful as the two guarantor powers !!!

[Kikapu]

I see. You mean the same UN that prevented the break up of Yugoslavia with thousands of deaths in Europe, not to mentions many other conflicts around the world. Is that the same undemocratic UN you are talking about? Isn't funny, that all the once satellite states of Yugoslavia have either already or wants to become an EU member. Is it because the EU provides economic and political stability to the whole of Europe? Surely that can't be!

Racism and fascism is already taking place in the UK with the likes of Boris Johnson, the Tory party and it's supporters, which even the brother of Boris can't take it and left the party. It will only get worse if the UK is completely out of the EU with no oversight of the EU values the UK has enjoyed for the past half a century. I am glad I do not live in the UK.

You may recall that after the war the perceived threat was not from anther war within Europe but from Russian tanks rolling into Germany.

So yes, the UN played a large part in keeping the peace in Europe.

As for Yugoslavia, I think you'll find that the EU has little to be proud of in that particular historical episode.

As for political and economic stability, you should ask the millions of unemployed across Europe or those rioting in France about that...

And how helpful has the EU been solving Cyprob...?

Yugoslavia was not part of the EU when the shit hit the fan, so don’t blame the EU. Where was the U.N. and NATO to prevent thousands of deaths as Yugoslavia was being torn apart?

Riots in France were mainly based on higher taxes on fuel instigated by anti government groups. Nothing new. There are riots going on in Hong Kong today which is not based on economic woes of the island. There are riots all the time during World Economic Forums/WTO/Labour Day. Unemployment exits in every country, but it is not cause for riots. Declining income and rising prices can be caused for riots.

Had Cyprus not been an EU member, the north would have been lost forever to Turkey, and eventually the whole island with the likes of UN’s Annan Plan. Now the whole island is an EU member state which is enough to hold a Turkey at bay politically. It allowed Cypriots to be able to visit both sides of the island and for the communities to engage each other, and also set the conditions for any settlement to be based on EU values. The fact that Turkey and the TC’s reject such democratic values for a settlement, you cannot blame the EU for it.

[miltiades]

I have always been a fierce believer in the unity of European nations. No borders, no currency to exchange, no more wars. Remember the last two started in Europe.
A united Europe is by far safer in all aspects. Who is to say that if the UK comes out of the EU and if its economy takes a dive that some Clown or arsehole will not put the blame on Europe ? Millions of ill educated and highly unsophisticated Little Englanders will scream for revenge. Paphitis would, after all, love to take charge
Of WW3. As for bucket man he will enlist pronto. The truth of the matter is that leavers have no valid economic reason for wanting out. Just pseudo patriotism.
Nobody is concerned, it seems, that Sterling is in intensive care state.

[Paphitis]

the whole point of eu is that they united as one. so if the hingarians are unhappy they can fak off anytime they like.

They are 27 countries out of 195...

They have clubbed together as a 'Customs Union' and erected trade barriers to protect themselves from the rest of the world...

Pretty soon they'll realise (as the UK has) that the rest of the world has moved on and can do things better, cheaper and faster.

And the 27 will be 26 and 25 and 24 until the whole thing falls apart.

It is amazing how some people would love to see the end of the EU, the longest peacetime in Europe, to perhaps the return of fascism and wars. This is what happens when stupid people who have never faced wars personally are first in tempting fate.

It is the UN that has been the peacekeeping force, not the EU...

And don't you think the idea that the whole of Europe is going to be teleported back to the 1930s because they can't buy tomatoes tariff free from each other a bit far fetched...?

I see. You mean the same UN that prevented the break up of Yugoslavia with thousands of deaths in Europe, not to mentions many other conflicts around the world. Is that the same undemocratic UN you are talking about? Isn't funny, that all the once satellite states of Yugoslavia have either already or wants to become an EU member. Is it because the EU provides economic and political stability to the whole of Europe? Surely that can't be!

Racism and fascism is already taking place in the UK with the likes of Boris Johnson, the Tory party and it's supporters, which even the brother of Boris can't take it and left the party. It will only get worse if the UK is completely out of the EU with no oversight of the EU values the UK has enjoyed for the past half a century. I am glad I do not live in the UK.

Yugoslavia was always going to break up.

Nothing the UN, EU or NATO can do about it.

Kikapu, I am astonished you are calling Boris' supporters as being fascist and racist. It's a complete cop out.

It's seems to be flavour of the month now to call people who have some pride in their country as patriots and who wish to maintain their way of life as they know it, as being racist and fascist.

The fascists Kikapu, are not the Brits, or the Hungarians. They are patriots.

The fascists are the EU who treated Greece, Spain, Portugal and Cyprus the way they did with massive austerity and the EU who disrespects the democratic wishes of the British People in the biggest vote held in Britain in living memory.

[Paphitis]

The irony is that it is in fact the EU that is not performing. It's the worst performing continent on the planet

Nonsense! The Eu consists of already developed and non developed countries from the ex Soviet block. E.g. Poland broke all records in development.
Still the verage growth for the EU is expected to be 1.3%. It’s true Australia and the US will grow 2% or even 3% and Africa India etc much more but you are comparing apples with oranges.

The UK will be trading under WTO terms with the rest of the world - USA, Canada, Australia, China, India and so on like the rest of the world does.

So? If it ever strikes a favorable trade deal with which it will export more than what it imports come back and point it to us.

Things will become cheaper and I also believe that Britain will end up outperforming the EU.

Yeah right. We already had a big argument about that. Forecasts don’t agree with you.

The reason why people trade in USD (it's not just petrol) is because it's easy and USD is highly in demand for business and trade. It's the currency of choice because the exchange is easy and the currency is a lot more stable.

The reason is because the USA forced (initially S.Arabia) to export oil in US$ and subsequently most of the OPEC thus backing up the US economy in Petrodollars. This made the US$ stable with low inflation in the US but on the other hand forcing the oil producing countries to SUCK American dept. For this reason Saudi Arabia is today the biggest buyer of US armaments. Still about 25% of Oil is traded in Euro compared to ~60% in US$.

America and Australia are developed as well, as is Japan, Singapore and South Korea and others. China is also transitioning to a developed economy.

It isn't nonsense at all. The EU is the worst performing area out of all sectors, both developed and non developed and that should tell you something right there. The EU has ALWAYS not performed as well as the rest of the world. Sure some economies like Poland and Hungary may do ok in the EU but most developed countries are not and Germany has just slipped into recession.

The doomsayers have been pointing fingers at Britain saying they will collapse but those that look like crashing are countries in the Eurozone.

A lot of countries have a trade deficit. Cyprus has one of the biggest trade deficits in the world of about 6 Billion Euros which equated to about 25% of GDP. But this never translates to debt. What translates to debt is when Government spends more on services. The trade deficit is usually attributed to corporations, business, and individuals who even buy stuff off Amazon.

Yes a lot of things will actually get cheaper after Brexit. things like computers and technology, Apples, Iwatches, Ipads, Books, Clothes, Food, Meat, Cars, White Goods and other manufactured goods from China, Australia, US, Asia will get cheaper. Some other things will get dearer.

And yes, Britain will sign good free trade deals with many countries and that is very exciting. I don't buy these conspiracy theories.

Your forecasts are not scientifically based and are just project fear. I am very upbeat about BREXIT. I do not believe Britain will suffer much at all.

[Paphitis]

the whole point of eu is that they united as one. so if the hingarians are unhappy they can fak off anytime they like.

They are 27 countries out of 195...

They have clubbed together as a 'Customs Union' and erected trade barriers to protect themselves from the rest of the world...

Pretty soon they'll realise (as the UK has) that the rest of the world has moved on and can do things better, cheaper and faster.

And the 27 will be 26 and 25 and 24 until the whole thing falls apart.

It is amazing how some people would love to see the end of the EU, the longest peacetime in Europe, to perhaps the return of fascism and wars. This is what happens when stupid people who have never faced wars personally are first in tempting fate.

Europe has NATO maintaining the peace.

No Paphitis, it is Political and Economic stability which maintains peace in Europe and not NATO.

Sorry but I disagree.

What maintains peace is the military deterrence factor offered by NATO.

The EU does not have a military capability.

The threat to European Peace and stability was never from any of the current 27 EU member states but from the former Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact East Block, and even to this day from Russia itself. The only thing that prevented them from invading was NATO itself.

[Pyrpolizer]

America and Australia are developed as well, as is Japan, Singapore and South Korea and others. China is also transitioning to a developed economy.

It isn't nonsense at all. The EU is the worst performing area out of all sectors, both developed and non developed and that should tell you something right there.

Before going any further show me a link proving your claim.

[Paphitis]

I see. You mean the same UN that prevented the break up of Yugoslavia with thousands of deaths in Europe, not to mentions many other conflicts around the world. Is that the same undemocratic UN you are talking about? Isn't funny, that all the once satellite states of Yugoslavia have either already or wants to become an EU member. Is it because the EU provides economic and political stability to the whole of Europe? Surely that can't be!

Racism and fascism is already taking place in the UK with the likes of Boris Johnson, the Tory party and it's supporters, which even the brother of Boris can't take it and left the party. It will only get worse if the UK is completely out of the EU with no oversight of the EU values the UK has enjoyed for the past half a century. I am glad I do not live in the UK.

You may recall that after the war the perceived threat was not from anther war within Europe but from Russian tanks rolling into Germany.

So yes, the UN played a large part in keeping the peace in Europe.

As for Yugoslavia, I think you'll find that the EU has little to be proud of in that particular historical episode.

As for political and economic stability, you should ask the millions of unemployed across Europe or those rioting in France about that...

And how helpful has the EU been solving Cyprob...?

Yugoslavia was not part of the EU when the shit hit the fan, so don’t blame the EU. Where was the U.N. and NATO to prevent thousands of deaths as Yugoslavia was being torn apart?

Riots in France were mainly based on higher taxes on fuel instigated by anti government groups. Nothing new. There are riots going on in Hong Kong today which is not based on economic woes of the island. There are riots all the time during World Economic Forums/WTO/Labour Day. Unemployment exits in every country, but it is not cause for riots. Declining income and rising prices can be caused for riots.

Had Cyprus not been an EU member, the north would have been lost forever to Turkey, and eventually the whole island with the likes of UN’s Annan Plan. Now the whole island is an EU member state which is enough to hold a Turkey at bay politically. It allowed Cypriots to be able to visit both sides of the island and for the communities to engage each other, and also set the conditions for any settlement to be based on EU values. The fact that Turkey and the TC’s reject such democratic values for a settlement, you cannot blame the EU for it.

You can't blame NATO either as Yugoslavia was just a Frankenstein Construction of multiple Nations and people of various religious faith.

the only reason why there was peace to begin with is because TITO and the Soviets ruled with an iron fist. And nonsense from anyone would result in the Gulag or Instant Death.

After the fall of the Soviets, and as eastern Europe became free, the Kosovars (Albanians), Serbs, and Croats wanted to go their own way.

[Paphitis]

America and Australia are developed as well, as is Japan, Singapore and South Korea and others. China is also transitioning to a developed economy.

It isn't nonsense at all. The EU is the worst performing area out of all sectors, both developed and non developed and that should tell you something right there.

Before going any further show me a link proving your claim.

Sorry I made a mistake. Antarctica is the slowest growing economy then followed by Europe/EU

https://theconversation.com/fact-check- ... -eus-61235

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/0 ... ope-is-an/

https://thesoundingline.com/non-perform ... rst-world/