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[Paphitis]

the whole point of eu is that they united as one. so if the hingarians are unhappy they can fak off anytime they like.

They are 27 countries out of 195...

They have clubbed together as a 'Customs Union' and erected trade barriers to protect themselves from the rest of the world...

Pretty soon they'll realise (as the UK has) that the rest of the world has moved on and can do things better, cheaper and faster.

And the 27 will be 26 and 25 and 24 until the whole thing falls apart.

That was the original plan.
You forgot the reason for the creation of Euro.... to which every EU country should adopt sooner or later.(I think the UK as well)
Pretty soon the UK will have so much trade deficit that it won't know what to do.
They are not Americans to survive on ever increasing dept forcing the whole world to trade oil in Petrodollars
As for buying better, cheaper and faster, no matter what, isn't this the reason Trump announced new heavy tariffs on EU products?
https://time.com/5691458/trump-tariffs- ... cheese-eu/

The irony is that it is in fact the EU that is not performing. It's the worst performing continent on the planet.

The UK will be trading under WTO terms with the rest of the world - USA, Canada, Australia, China, India and so on like the rest of the world does.

Things will become cheaper and I also believe that Britain will end up outperforming the EU.

Also you do not know how trade works. It's private firms who trade, not the Government although the Government does trade as well when it buys services, and military equipment and other such things. The bulk of the trade is from private firms. Therefore a trade deficit does not end up as debt.

If it did, then Cyprus would instantly collapse into oblivion.

The USA has a AAA credit rating and very healthy current accounts, and its debt is serviceable and GDP growth outstrips debt growth.

The reason why people trade in USD (it's not just petrol) is because it's easy and USD is highly in demand for business and trade. It's the currency of choice because the exchange is easy and the currency is a lot more stable.

Pilots for instance sometimes have a choice of currency, especially if you work in Asia or the Middle East and most always opt for USD.

[Paphitis]

the whole point of eu is that they united as one. so if the hingarians are unhappy they can fak off anytime they like.

They are 27 countries out of 195...

They have clubbed together as a 'Customs Union' and erected trade barriers to protect themselves from the rest of the world...

Pretty soon they'll realise (as the UK has) that the rest of the world has moved on and can do things better, cheaper and faster.

And the 27 will be 26 and 25 and 24 until the whole thing falls apart.

It is amazing how some people would love to see the end of the EU, the longest peacetime in Europe, to perhaps the return of fascism and wars. This is what happens when stupid people who have never faced wars personally are first in tempting fate.

The very fact that a United Europe has avoided war for over 60 years it's a good enough reason for the EU to continue and preserve peace. If the the UK does come out , 5 years down the road with its economy in tatters , the blame will be put on the EU.Lets fight the bloody Krouts and the Frogs. We are British, we shall ...win again!! Horrey!! Narrow minded little Englanders who can not see further than their noses

Not the EU. In fact the EU sent millions of people in Southern Europe into poverty resulting in no peace in central Athens, or Madrid.

Not just does NATO unite some European countries in a common security arrangement, but it also unites these countries with ASEAN South Korea, Japan, Singapore, and ANZUS Australia, NZ, Canada and USA.

[Paphitis]

[cyprusgrump]

the whole point of eu is that they united as one. so if the hingarians are unhappy they can fak off anytime they like.

They are 27 countries out of 195...

They have clubbed together as a 'Customs Union' and erected trade barriers to protect themselves from the rest of the world...

Pretty soon they'll realise (as the UK has) that the rest of the world has moved on and can do things better, cheaper and faster.

And the 27 will be 26 and 25 and 24 until the whole thing falls apart.

It is amazing how some people would love to see the end of the EU, the longest peacetime in Europe, to perhaps the return of fascism and wars. This is what happens when stupid people who have never faced wars personally are first in tempting fate.

It is the UN that has been the peacekeeping force, not the EU...

And don't you think the idea that the whole of Europe is going to be teleported back to the 1930s because they can't buy tomatoes tariff free from each other a bit far fetched...?

[miltiades]

Odd how two goofballs see eye to eye !!

[Kikapu]

the whole point of eu is that they united as one. so if the hingarians are unhappy they can fak off anytime they like.

They are 27 countries out of 195...

They have clubbed together as a 'Customs Union' and erected trade barriers to protect themselves from the rest of the world...

Pretty soon they'll realise (as the UK has) that the rest of the world has moved on and can do things better, cheaper and faster.

And the 27 will be 26 and 25 and 24 until the whole thing falls apart.

It is amazing how some people would love to see the end of the EU, the longest peacetime in Europe, to perhaps the return of fascism and wars. This is what happens when stupid people who have never faced wars personally are first in tempting fate.

It is the UN that has been the peacekeeping force, not the EU...

And don't you think the idea that the whole of Europe is going to be teleported back to the 1930s because they can't buy tomatoes tariff free from each other a bit far fetched...?

I see. You mean the same UN that prevented the break up of Yugoslavia with thousands of deaths in Europe, not to mentions many other conflicts around the world. Is that the same undemocratic UN you are talking about? Isn't funny, that all the once satellite states of Yugoslavia have either already or wants to become an EU member. Is it because the EU provides economic and political stability to the whole of Europe? Surely that can't be!

Racism and fascism is already taking place in the UK with the likes of Boris Johnson, the Tory party and it's supporters, which even the brother of Boris can't take it and left the party. It will only get worse if the UK is completely out of the EU with no oversight of the EU values the UK has enjoyed for the past half a century. I am glad I do not live in the UK.

[Pyrpolizer]

The irony is that it is in fact the EU that is not performing. It's the worst performing continent on the planet

Nonsense! The Eu consists of already developed and non developed countries from the ex Soviet block. E.g. Poland broke all records in development.
Still the verage growth for the EU is expected to be 1.3%. It’s true Australia and the US will grow 2% or even 3% and Africa India etc much more but you are comparing apples with oranges.

The UK will be trading under WTO terms with the rest of the world - USA, Canada, Australia, China, India and so on like the rest of the world does.

So? If it ever strikes a favorable trade deal with which it will export more than what it imports come back and point it to us.

Things will become cheaper and I also believe that Britain will end up outperforming the EU.

Yeah right. We already had a big argument about that. Forecasts don’t agree with you.

The reason why people trade in USD (it's not just petrol) is because it's easy and USD is highly in demand for business and trade. It's the currency of choice because the exchange is easy and the currency is a lot more stable.

The reason is because the USA forced (initially S.Arabia) to export oil in US$ and subsequently most of the OPEC thus backing up the US economy in Petrodollars. This made the US$ stable with low inflation in the US but on the other hand forcing the oil producing countries to SUCK American dept. For this reason Saudi Arabia is today the biggest buyer of US armaments. Still about 25% of Oil is traded in Euro compared to ~60% in US$.

[Kikapu]

the whole point of eu is that they united as one. so if the hingarians are unhappy they can fak off anytime they like.

They are 27 countries out of 195...

They have clubbed together as a 'Customs Union' and erected trade barriers to protect themselves from the rest of the world...

Pretty soon they'll realise (as the UK has) that the rest of the world has moved on and can do things better, cheaper and faster.

And the 27 will be 26 and 25 and 24 until the whole thing falls apart.

It is amazing how some people would love to see the end of the EU, the longest peacetime in Europe, to perhaps the return of fascism and wars. This is what happens when stupid people who have never faced wars personally are first in tempting fate.

Europe has NATO maintaining the peace.

No Paphitis, it is Political and Economic stability which maintains peace in Europe and not NATO.

[erolz66]

The UK will be trading under WTO terms with the rest of the world - USA, Canada, Australia, China, India and so on like the rest of the world does.

The UK, as an EU member, already trades with the rest of the world, under WTO rules. It trades with Canada and many other places under better terms than WTO rules as they have trade deal with the EU. There is not a major economy in the world that trades only via WTO rules.

[Lordo]

this is the real problem of the referendum, general public do not understand the realities and believe every lie they are told.

fact is we already trade under wto rules with the rest of the world using eu trading schedules which have been agreed becasue of the power of the eu market to be quite advantages. uk by herself would only dream of such schedules and they will not be avaialble once we leave the eu. in fact they did ask the eu if they could use the same scedules and they were told to go on their bike. even if the eu agreed to such a thing, there are 163 other memers of the wto and even if only one disagrees uk cannot have them. they will have to work out their on and get 163 members to agree with them and there are over 4000 product group schedules with upto 3000 products in each one. in about 20 years we shall ahve our own wto schedules. ho do you explain this fact to idiots who think they can droup out of the eu with no deal and start using wto next day.

they talk as if somehow we would be able to make better deal of our own than what we had under the eu banner. how do you explain to people that they are so stupid that they should not even be allowed to make such decisions. and i include brexshit mps