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[Paphitis]

Oh boy oh boy, now this is juicy!

The Benn Bill isn't worth the paper its written on.

EU Law overrides British Law. Therefore, Article 50 overrides the Benn Bill Surrender Act.

Boris is under no obligation whatsoever to ask for an extension.

Oh this is so good...

Boris has given his solution....EU going to reject....Boris is out on the 31st if he is still PM.

Oh man, why do you put these pointless videos when this particular one is nothing but conjecture and wishful thinking and not fact. Court rulings are based on intense interpretation of laws on the books and the case itself, which two cases are never the same. Until the EU courts gives the Brexiteers what you claim above, it is only pissing into the wind in trying to try the case on the social media.

Conjecture?

How do you know what is conjecture.

We will see in just 27 days and Boris has said it time and time again that he will not be asking for an extension. Why should he sign the death warrant of the Party. In the end, he has the popular support of the people, and therefore has little to worry about when Christmas finally comes.

I am talking about possible EU Laws over ruling the UK laws on no deal Brexit. It is all conjecture.

I know what you mean.

But I am not sure it is conjecture. I am very confident Boris has a loophole or is going to just flat out ignore the Surrender Act.

I think he has got everyone in a spin. If he is still standing, there is going to be BREXIT on the 31st. If he get's knifed, there will still be BREXIT but AFTER he is returned to Government after the next GE.

My money is on Boris. I think he is in the box seat now and the remoaners don't know what to do. He is in a win win situation regardless of what happens.

[Pyrpolizer]

Looks like Checkmate!

A checkmate for who?
From the few details that were made public the new plan looks to me as a Deal for No Deal.
The Single market is not only about food standards in the NI. And even that assumes the NI (as part of the UK) will still be obliged to the ECJ
The Single Market includes free establishment and moving of capital between the 2 sides of Ireland. That won't be possible anymore with this "new deal"
I don't think the EU negotiating team can reject it, simply because it's a Deal for No Deal. Ireland however will reject it.

It's a checkmate in favour of Boris.

I see the remoaners are running out of options.

Democracy can't be thwarted or denied. He has the support of the people.

NI is a part of the UK and as such will also be leaving. Once UK is out of Britain, the UK can set up procedures and customs check points away from the border and do everything possible with Eire to ensure the Good Friday Agreements are not violated and the UK can also start negotiations with the EU for a Canada ++ FTD.

So you agree he will propose a Deal for No Deal.
Damn it and I wasn't sure myself.
So explain to me in your own words why this is a compromise as he advertises.
Explain to me in what ways the transition period would be similar to May's deal and why the EU has to commit itself to that.

This is not a checkmate. This is exposing his own king to an attacking piece. He has to accept defeat before doing that.

[Paphitis]

Looks like Checkmate!

A checkmate for who?
From the few details that were made public the new plan looks to me as a Deal for No Deal.
The Single market is not only about food standards in the NI. And even that assumes the NI (as part of the UK) will still be obliged to the ECJ
The Single Market includes free establishment and moving of capital between the 2 sides of Ireland. That won't be possible anymore with this "new deal"
I don't think the EU negotiating team can reject it, simply because it's a Deal for No Deal. Ireland however will reject it.

It's a checkmate in favour of Boris.

I see the remoaners are running out of options.

Democracy can't be thwarted or denied. He has the support of the people.

NI is a part of the UK and as such will also be leaving. Once UK is out of Britain, the UK can set up procedures and customs check points away from the border and do everything possible with Eire to ensure the Good Friday Agreements are not violated and the UK can also start negotiations with the EU for a Canada ++ FTD.

So you agree he will propose a Deal for No Deal.
Damn it and I wasn't sure myself.
So explain to me in your own words why this is a compromise as he advertises.
Explain to me in what ways the transition period would be similar to May's deal and why the EU has to commit itself to that.

This is not a checkmate. This is exposing his own king to an attacking piece. He has to accept defeat before doing that.

I think he has fulfilled ALL his obligations.

he has tabled a deal, and it looks like it is very likely the EU are going to reject it. IMO, I think this is what he wants.

After that, he is free to take Britain out of the EU on the 31st if he is still the PM.

I think he has played everyone very well.

If he is not the PM on the 31st, he will be the PM again after the next GE with a landslide and he will still take Britain out of the EU but at the end of January.

If the remoaners repeal Article 50, then the bigger the landslide in his favour.

I think he is in an unlosable position.

Even if he goes to jail, he will become quite the Martyr and his popularity will become bigger than Makarios or Mandela!

This has become a Parliament Vs People battle. He has taken the fight on behalf of the people and on the side of democracy. He is in an unlosable position. Boris will be PM for the next 10 years and will write history not unlike Churchill.

Now obviously the situation is still volatile and these are uncharted waters and anything is possible, but my money is tentatively and cautiously on Boris atm.

Out of everyone, I would rather be in his shoes than anyone else's in British Parliament. he is the man no one can root, shoot or execute. When you got the people on side, you can do anything because no matter what, the day will come when these politicians will have to answer to the real Masters and the real Masters are the people of the UK.

[Pyrpolizer]

It's a checkmate in favour of Boris.

I see the remoaners are running out of options.

Democracy can't be thwarted or denied. He has the support of the people.

NI is a part of the UK and as such will also be leaving. Once UK is out of Britain, the UK can set up procedures and customs check points away from the border and do everything possible with Eire to ensure the Good Friday Agreements are not violated and the UK can also start negotiations with the EU for a Canada ++ FTD.

Well tough luck.
The new deal is not as you thought.
There will in fact be a transition period similar to May's deal, during which the UK will still be in the Customs union and Single market and abide to all EU rules and to ECJ, and also pay substantial sums to EU's budget.

What Bojo is actually attempting to do is load the EU with the risk of an ineffective Irish border, while the UK will leave a part of it (NI) partially inside the EU. How can this be if the UK Including NI won't recognize ECJ's authority after the transition period??

What the UK doesn't seem to understand is the simple truth that it's impossible to ever get a go while leaving NI partially in the EU.It's either ALL in or ALL out. There's only one solution. NI to unite with the Republic of Ireland

[Paphitis]

It's a checkmate in favour of Boris.

I see the remoaners are running out of options.

Democracy can't be thwarted or denied. He has the support of the people.

NI is a part of the UK and as such will also be leaving. Once UK is out of Britain, the UK can set up procedures and customs check points away from the border and do everything possible with Eire to ensure the Good Friday Agreements are not violated and the UK can also start negotiations with the EU for a Canada ++ FTD.

Well tough luck.
The new deal is not as you thought.
There will in fact be a transition period similar to May's deal, during which the UK will still be in the Customs union and Single market and abide to all EU rules and to ECJ, and also pay substantial sums to EU's budget.

What Bojo is actually attempting to do is load the EU with the risk of an ineffective Irish border, while the UK will leave a part of it (NI) partially inside the EU. How can this be if the UK Including NI won't recognize ECJ's authority after the transition period??

What the UK doesn't seem to understand is the simple truth that it's impossible to ever get a go while leaving NI partially in the EU.It's either ALL in or ALL out. There's only one solution. NI to unite with the Republic of Ireland

I don't think you understand.

I don't want a deal. My first choice is a clean break and that is where I think its heading.

As for the old deal, the only thing that was dubious about it was the backstop. The UK will NEVER accept such a thing and you shouldn't be surprised.

It's all academic now. I think Boris has won this. I think the UK is going all out.

And, as I told you before, commiserations to the EU. It's the beginning of the end because the UK economy imo is going to be alot more stronger than the EU. Why? Because the EU economy is the worst in the world, Even below Africa and South America.

Whether you like it or not, the EU is way behind Asia, Australia, and North America in particular. I think the EU project is terminally ill and is going to die.

Tough luck yourself mate.

[Pyrpolizer]

Looks like Checkmate!

A checkmate for who?
From the few details that were made public the new plan looks to me as a Deal for No Deal.
The Single market is not only about food standards in the NI. And even that assumes the NI (as part of the UK) will still be obliged to the ECJ
The Single Market includes free establishment and moving of capital between the 2 sides of Ireland. That won't be possible anymore with this "new deal"
I don't think the EU negotiating team can reject it, simply because it's a Deal for No Deal. Ireland however will reject it.

It's a checkmate in favour of Boris.

I see the remoaners are running out of options.

Democracy can't be thwarted or denied. He has the support of the people.

NI is a part of the UK and as such will also be leaving. Once UK is out of Britain, the UK can set up procedures and customs check points away from the border and do everything possible with Eire to ensure the Good Friday Agreements are not violated and the UK can also start negotiations with the EU for a Canada ++ FTD.

So you agree he will propose a Deal for No Deal.
Damn it and I wasn't sure myself.
So explain to me in your own words why this is a compromise as he advertises.
Explain to me in what ways the transition period would be similar to May's deal and why the EU has to commit itself to that.

This is not a checkmate. This is exposing his own king to an attacking piece. He has to accept defeat before doing that.

I think he has fulfilled ALL his obligations.

he has tabled a deal, and it looks like it is very likely the EU are going to reject it. IMO, I think this is what he wants.

After that, he is free to take Britain out of the EU on the 31st if he is still the PM.

I think he has played everyone very well.

If he is not the PM on the 31st, he will be the PM again after the next GE with a landslide and he will still take Britain out of the EU but at the end of January.

If the remoaners repeal Article 50, then the bigger the landslide in his favour.

I think he is in an unlosable position.

Even if he goes to jail, he will become quite the Martyr and his popularity will become bigger than Makarios or Mandela!

This has become a Parliament Vs People battle. He has taken the fight on behalf of the people and on the side of democracy. He is in an unlosable position. Boris will be PM for the next 10 years and will write history not unlike Churchill.

Now obviously the situation is still volatile and these are uncharted waters and anything is possible, but my money is tentatively and cautiously on Boris atm.

Out of everyone, I would rather be in his shoes than anyone else's in British Parliament. he is the man no one can root, shoot or execute. When you got the people on side, you can do anything because no matter what, the day will come when these politicians will have to answer to the real Masters and the real Masters are the people of the UK.

The easiest thing on the planet would be to propose a deal that would be rejected by the EU.
It seems to me you don't know what H. Ben's bill says: It's doesn't say propose something. It says present the Parliament a deal you got with the EU for approval.
If he fails to get the EU's approval, that's it.
Let him claim he got a checkmate while exposing his own King to an attacking man.

[Paphitis]

The easiest thing on the planet would be to propose a deal that would be rejected by the EU.
It seems to me you don't know what H. Ben's bill says: It's doesn't say propose something. It says present the Parliament a deal you got with the EU for approval.
If he fails to get the EU's approval, that's it.
Let him claim he got a checkmate while exposing his own King to an attacking man.

Check!

Boris has proposed a Bill. EU will reject.

Brois doesn't seem to care about the Benn Bill.

Whether it is legit or not, Boris can not ask for an extension. If he does he commits political suicide. Right now he has a winning hand of cards and if he maintains his word, he has everything all sown up into a nice neat package.

Even if he gets knifed in the next few weeks, he will be returned as PM 2 months later bigger than Nelson Mandela himself.

He can't ask for an extension under any circumstances and has told everyone at the convention that he will not be surrendering to the EU.

Boris has the people on his side.

Not only this but I also believe that after a very short term slump, the UK economy is going to outperform the EU economy like everyone else.

I think Boris just played you all and pulled a good number on the EU and he has stuffed them right up. His position is a winning position. The remoaners and EU position is unwinnable.

[Lordo]

The easiest thing on the planet would be to propose a deal that would be rejected by the EU.
It seems to me you don't know what H. Ben's bill says: It's doesn't say propose something. It says present the Parliament a deal you got with the EU for approval.
If he fails to get the EU's approval, that's it.
Let him claim he got a checkmate while exposing his own King to an attacking man.

Check!

Boris has proposed a Bill. EU will reject.

Brois doesn't seem to care about the Benn Bill.

Whether it is legit or not, Boris can not ask for an extension. If he does he commits political suicide. Right now he has a winning hand of cards and if he maintains his word, he has everything all sown up into a nice neat package.

Even if he gets knifed in the next few weeks, he will be returned as PM 2 months later bigger than Nelson Mandela himself.

He can't ask for an extension under any circumstances and has told everyone at the convention that he will not be surrendering to the EU.

Boris has the people on his side.

Not only this but I also believe that after a very short term slump, the UK economy is going to outperform the EU economy like everyone else.

I think Boris just played you all and pulled a good number on the EU and he has stuffed them right up. His position is a winning position. The remoaners and EU position is unwinnable.

doesn't he just..


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49936352

[Paphitis]

The easiest thing on the planet would be to propose a deal that would be rejected by the EU.
It seems to me you don't know what H. Ben's bill says: It's doesn't say propose something. It says present the Parliament a deal you got with the EU for approval.
If he fails to get the EU's approval, that's it.
Let him claim he got a checkmate while exposing his own King to an attacking man.

Check!

Boris has proposed a Bill. EU will reject.

Brois doesn't seem to care about the Benn Bill.

Whether it is legit or not, Boris can not ask for an extension. If he does he commits political suicide. Right now he has a winning hand of cards and if he maintains his word, he has everything all sown up into a nice neat package.

Even if he gets knifed in the next few weeks, he will be returned as PM 2 months later bigger than Nelson Mandela himself.

He can't ask for an extension under any circumstances and has told everyone at the convention that he will not be surrendering to the EU.

Boris has the people on his side.

Not only this but I also believe that after a very short term slump, the UK economy is going to outperform the EU economy like everyone else.

I think Boris just played you all and pulled a good number on the EU and he has stuffed them right up. His position is a winning position. The remoaners and EU position is unwinnable.

doesn't he just..


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49936352

What tis looks like to me is that the remoaners are running around like headless chickens!

The best they can hope for is to potentially knife Boris and get Corbyn to be PM in which case BREXIT will only be delayed TEMPORARILY until the people return Boris which is inevitable.

that is the dilemma the remoaners have. they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they knife Boris, his popularity will only just improve some more.

I think Boris would be crazy to ask for an extension. I do not believe he will do that but it is possible that he sent the courts a letter saying that he will and then reveal they found a legal loophole (which doesn't need to be legit) not to do so right at the eleventh hour when it is all too late.

The only guaranteed way to get an extension is to knife Boris, and that will only be a very brief stay on the EU's execution date.

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't think you understand.
I don't want a deal. My first choice is a clean break and that is where I think its heading.

It remains to be seen whether Bojo ever makes it.
The hard brexiters fanfare about Bojo's proposal been "a winner" makes perfect sense.
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