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[Paphitis]

Oh Dear, Liberal Democrats accused of foreign collusion with EU officials behind the Government's back.

[Paphitis]

Moggs tells Soubry the way it is after she called for a referendum!

[Paphitis]

[Paphitis]

Looks like Checkmate!

[erolz66]

A plan the EU can either accept or reject. Either way its a win win for Boris because even if the plan is rejected, Boris can turn around and say "we tried". My Government tried to get a deal.

Sure he can and will say that but how many people will actually believe it is true ? How many believed that proroguing parliament for the specific 5 weeks he tried to do so for, was motivated solely by a desire to start a new session of parliament and have a queens speech laying out the governments up coming legislative agenda and nothing to do with trying to block parliament from being able to exercise it's sovereignty ? Creating the narrative is easy. Getting others to subscribe to the narrative rather than identify it as just such, a narrative or 'story' or 'fiction' made up for a purpose, is a much harder challenge. Harder still when the 'obviousness' of what he is doing and why is clear even to fine probing minds like your own Paphitis

An extension automatically becomes more untenable. that is if there is a request which there will not be unless there is a Coup from the swamp dwellers across the benches.

I do find it amusing that you consider the (minority) of alligators that support your views on Brexit to not be alligators at all and that only those alligators that disagree with you on Brexit are alligators. I have some news for you mate. They are ALL alligators, all swamp dwellers and Parliament and government is the swamp. Unless Johnson has some plan to reduce the number of MP's to 350 rather than the 650 currently there aint gonna be and can not be any 'draining of the swamp'. Just a slightly different bunch of swamp dwellers living in the same swamp as ever, some of which will share views with you and others will not to varying degrees over varying subjects over time. If you really believe the 'draining the swamp' story, then you really do need to try and be a bit less naive imo.

[Paphitis]

More great stuff from the great man himself, Nigel Farage!

Everything falling into place quite nicely.

[erolz66]

More great stuff from the great man himself, Nigel Farage!

After watching the first 6.5 minutes of this, I still am not sure where the great man himself stands on this 'Johnson deal'. In the sense of if he were an MP and the division had be called on passing this deal or not, which lobby would he be walking through ? Seems to me like he was doing a lot of 'sitting on the fence' for 'strategic political' reasons and a hope of shaping outcomes by hedging what he really thinks and believes, with caveats and ifs and buts. Which is kind of a shame because one thing I do think he always had was a degree of open honesty about his own personal views, free from the constraints of 'swamp talking' as a 'politician', but he seems to have lost or be losing that to me when I watch that clip. I guess his many years in the 'swamp' that is the EU Parliament have taken their toll and by the day he slides inexorably more towards the 'average' (for politicians generally) position on this scale, from his 'starting point' that was atypically sloped to one end of the spectrum of 'honest non politician answers to totally hedged and fudged politician answer' .

Everything falling into place quite nicely.

Er how soon will the boeing 737 max be back in the air again ? OK sorry that is just and purely a joke. I am not a fan of these 'your argument here and now is and must be stupid and wrong because your prediction there and then was wrong' style postings in general. I only make this one now because I really can not resist and only with the explicit disclaimer that I am doing so merely in jest and humour and not seeking to make any 'point' by extension or in addition to just humour / jest.

[Paphitis]

Speaking of the impending British Independence Day, I post this here as a reminder of British know how and ingenuity.

There is nothing that sounds better than an old Merlin Engine and look at this beautiful piece of machinery spit its fire on start up.

Once again, Britain will prevail and defeat its enemies and uphold democracy in Europe.

Look at the form lines, the power and the speed. Democracy came at a cost and will not be abandoned by the plucky Brits.

[Paphitis]

mmm food for thought. EU is a circus alright.

[miltiades]

More shot from an absolute idiot who thinks he is a ....pilot. why dont you shut it and let the Brits decide ? You are neither British ,European or a pilot for that matter.