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[cyprusgrump]

The EU - not fit for purpose.

[Lordo]

The EU - not fit for purpose.

he is a tory boy and very very nice boy to boot. what did you expect. you cannot be on lbc if you support labour never mind corbyn.

the time is near and manchild will be eating shit off the floor.

you don't need to look far to see not fit for purpose.
a pm who lies, makes up quotes and arranges for people to be hospitalised and he cannot even manage that cause he gives wrong information.
he can't even sniff drugs. or so he says.

i know lets cancel our membership to the eu and save 750 million pounds a month so we can join wto and pay 2,500 million in tax instead. clearly economics is not your or manchild's strong point right?

[Pyrpolizer]

Bristol University academic actually considers the 2016 referendum advisory-not legally binding.

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/law/dbe/blog/2017/11/

[cyprusgrump]

he is a tory boy and very very nice boy to boot. what did you expect. you cannot be on lbc if you support labour never mind corbyn.

You have heard of James O'Brien right...?



What a twat...

[cyprusgrump]

Bristol University academic actually considers the 2016 referendum advisory-not legally binding.

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/law/dbe/blog/2017/11/

Referendums are not legally binding... Everybody knows that...

But the government promised to uphold the result of the referendum and then parliament voted it into law...

Gawd you are getting desperate!

[Pyrpolizer]

Bristol University academic actually considers the 2016 referendum advisory-not legally binding.

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/law/dbe/blog/2017/11/

Referendums are not legally binding... Everybody knows that...

But the government promised to uphold the result of the referendum and then parliament voted it into law...

Gawd you are getting desperate!

Not all referendums are advisory. e.g. if we voted yes to the Anan Plan referendum it would both locally and Internationally be legally binding.
The same parliament that made it a law made another law to stop no deal Brexit.This proves the HOW you exit has to be approved.

Me getting desperate ??
Either you leave with a deal or no deal it's fine with me.

[erolz66]

The reason for typing all of this is to point out that the outgoing message on my twin-cassette answering machine was less tedious and boringly predictable than your posts on Brexit!

Which is easier to do than to actually address the points I made. Which is why you do the former and not the later I would guess.

And you, like Lordo consistently ignore any argument that contradicts your own position.

I am not ignoring your argument. Your argument is that everyone clearly knew when they voted in the referendum that a vote to leave meant a vote to leave all institutions and current agreements with the EU in their entirety and nothing else. That is your argument is it not ? Have I misunderstood it ? Misrepresented it ? I hear your argument but am I not allowed to ask 'is that really true or not' ? Am I not allowed to ask, if everyone knew that is what a vote to leave meant why was there ANY discussion at all about deals and the like ? If everyone knew and understood that leaving meant something very different from say Norway or Switzerland why in the lead up to the referendum did the like of Farage and others repeatedly use those two countries as examples of countries that were NOT in the EU and that were 'doing well' ?

If you have addressed these simple questions and contradictions to date then I can not recall seeing such answers. What I have seen is you repeat over and over the same starting point (everyone knew and was agreed what 'leave' did or did not mean and it meant leaving all EU institutions entirely and nothing else) without ever addressing the contradictions raised in response to your starting argument. All whilst bemoaning the repetitive nature of the discussion, which is always all the fault of the other party and never anything you have any complicity in at all.

I will therefore ask once more, calmly and as politely as I can, if as you claim everyone did clearly know and agree that a vote to leave the EU meant leaving all EU institutions entirely why was there ANY discussion as to different ways and degrees of leaving and why did Farage use Norway and Switzerland as examples of countries NOT in the EU that are doing fine not being in the EU ? I expect no response from you other than the ones you have given countless times, which is to ignore the point I have raised, label me as determined to strop brexit happening at all, label me anti democratic and then blame me when in response to you repeating your starting argument over and over again I ask the same questions that you have never answered, for the discussion becoming 'repetitive' ?

So as I said earlier I believe, there is little point engaging with you.

No because I suspect your objective has nothing to do with trying to understand better, understand me, my position and why I hold it and better and more clearly understanding your position and why you hold it and everything to do with 'proving' , to yourself and or others, you are right and I am wrong. For such an objective, engaging with those who have different views to yours is not only of little point it even runs the risk of you changing your view or position to some degree or other and in some regard or others. Much better to juts spew out, over and over and over, the same old rhetoric, partisan sources, videos, slogans, pictures and just attack the person daring to differ from your view as a person.

[cyprusgrump]

Erolz...

Was it a binary Leave or Remain vote or not...?

You have already agreed that it was and history records that we voted Leave.

Anything else you post on the subject suggesting otherwise is puerile nonsense...

[erolz66]

Erolz...

Was it a binary Leave or Remain vote or not...?

You have already agreed that it was and history records that we voted Leave.

Anything else you post on the subject suggesting otherwise is puerile nonsense...

The vote was binary and the result was to leave. No argument there. We are all agreed.

Where we differ is the idea that any individual can legitimately say in the name of the 'people' that 'leaving this way is not leaving at all' and that everyone knew up to the point that they voted to leave that leaving meant exactly the same thing to everyone who voted and did not and can not have meant anything different to any of them. If the best counter you have to my counter point / opinion, is it is 'puerile nonsense' then is it any wonder that such arguments become boring and repetitive ?

You : I say the vote to leave was a binary choice.

Me: I agree

You : Everyone who voted leave did so knowing when they voted that leaving meant not ending up like Norway, not ending up like Switzerland , not like Turkey but had to mean no more 'engagement' with the EU than Canada has currently and could not mean anything else at all.

Me : Hang on, than can not be true can it ? If it were true then how come ......

You : You have agreed the vote was a binary choice of leave and remain, anything else you say is puerile nonsense.

[cyprusgrump]

The vote was binary and the result was to leave. No argument there. We are all agreed.

Agreed...

Everything else you posted and have ever posted is puerile nonsense...

We voted to Leave and Leave means leaving...

Think of it (if it makes it easier) like say India or any other non-EU country... They have gone, left, never been a part of the EU and that is where we are headed...

Brexit means leaving the EU, that is what we all voted for...

We're off...

But if the EU want to give us some preferential trade terms (a FTA) that would be great...

But if they don't that would be their loss...