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[erolz66]

Tommy Robinson is a multiple convicted criminal. That is what criminal means. Labeling anyone who is opposed to you and your wants as being criminal is straight out of the Trump play book. We have a principal of innocence until proven guilty. Tommy Robinson has been found guilty more than once of criminal and violent offences. Therefore he is a criminal. Calling the EU criminal when they have not been found guilty of breaking any law is just rhetoric.

[Londonrake]

Which brings me to the next part. The way the EU has behaved in trying to circumvent the vote in the EU like they have done in other EU countries in the past to me is a attack on democracy I can't tolerate.

I believe the UK is in the right here. They want out and the people decided. It's their right and I support them breaking free.

A democrat would support the people having a valid say in both if we should leave and how we should leave. To argue that the people (a majority) can only have a say in if we leave and not in how we leave is not view that is compatible with the democratic ideals you profess to hold.

Sorry but - for the nth time - no.

At the invitation of our government and by a huge majority of parliament we had a national vote about our EU membership. It very rarely included the entire electorate and was the largest such event in the history of the UK. Throughout the 6 month campaign running up to the referendum, when both sides clearly and extensively put their cases, we were assured by all among the high and mighty that the result would be honoured. 40 months later it hasn't been.

All the "debates" generated since are purely, dressed up rejections of that mandate - again, the largest ever given to a UK government by the people - and are nothing more than self-justifying efforts to subvert that result.

You and your like are absolutely not democrats, no matter how you try to dress it up in your endless pseudo-esoteric arguments. In fact you're quite the opposite. Only accepting the result of a vote if it suits your agenda. That is not democracy.

Like buses - this one will be along again soon. How many times so far?

17,410,742 people are never going to meekly accept staying in the EU. If you think that you are totally deluded.

I must have written this answer to the same tedious post, in all of its varieties, dozens of times. Groundhog Day. (ohh, look, there's another one!)

[Paphitis]

[Paphitis]

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[erolz66]

Which brings me to the next part. The way the EU has behaved in trying to circumvent the vote in the EU like they have done in other EU countries in the past to me is a attack on democracy I can't tolerate.

I believe the UK is in the right here. They want out and the people decided. It's their right and I support them breaking free.

A democrat would support the people having a valid say in both if we should leave and how we should leave. To argue that the people (a majority) can only have a say in if we leave and not in how we leave is not view that is compatible with the democratic ideals you profess to hold.

Sorry but - for the nth time - no.

At the invitation of our government and by a huge majority of parliament we had a national vote about our EU membership. It very rarely included the entire electorate and was the largest such event in the history of the UK. Throughout the 6 month campaign running up to the referendum, when both sides clearly and extensively put their cases, we were assured by all among the high and mighty that the result would be honoured. 40 months later it hasn't been.

All the "debates" generated since are purely, dressed up rejections of that mandate - again, the largest ever given to a UK government by the people - and are nothing more than self-justifying efforts to subvert that result.

You and your like are absolutely not democrats, no matter how you try to dress it up in your endless pseudo-esoteric arguments. In fact you're quite the opposite. Only accepting the result of a vote if it suits your agenda. That is not democracy.

Like buses - this one will be along again soon. How many times so far?

17,410,742 people are never going to meekly accept staying in the EU. If you think that you are totally deluded.

I must have written this answer to the same tedious post, in all of its varieties, dozens of times. Groundhog Day. (ohh, look, there's another one!)

The people by majority chose to leave and the people should also chose by majority how we leave. That is democracy. You can waffle all you like, post reams and reams of irrelevance over and over and talk of groundhog day and blame everyone but yourself for these circular discussions that go no where but none of that will change the basics of what democracy means and requires.

[Londonrake]

No, it’s not democracy. The question was straightforward, the answer given unambiguous. Assurances it would be honoured universal. What’s happened since has been a pure and simple betrayal of that democratic event. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

I’m not posting reams and reams. You and your like are. It makes you feel better I imagine. What you’re getting are simply responses.

You are not a Democrat.

[erolz66]

17,410,742 people are never going to meekly accept staying in the EU. If you think that you are totally deluded.

The idea that anyone who has a different view to you on how we should leave the EU is therefore trying to stop brexit happening at all is where you whole premise falls down as far as I am concerned. The discrepancies such a world view causes are legion/ For example people like Dominic Greive have voted FOR every brexit deal that has been put before them as an MP. Yet in your mind they are seeking to stop brexit happening. Yet some people who have voted against every deal put before them are, in your world view, champions of seeing the referendum result implemented and others who have done likewise are trying to thwart it. All these contradictions are the result of your notion that if someone does not support leaving without any over all deal and a transition period is trying to subvert the referendum result. An idea that to me is so plainly nonsense that it is tedious to keep pointing it out.

[erolz66]

I’m not posting reams and reams. You and your like are. It makes you feel better I imagine. What you’re getting are simply responses.

You are not a Democrat.

Yet you did pro actively respond to my reply to pahitits with reams and reams ? Actions do often speak louder than words

How can an MP who has voted FOR every deal put before them and has said they will do so to ANY future deal be trying to thwart brexit ?

[Londonrake]

I’m not posting reams and reams. You and your like are. It makes you feel better I imagine. What you’re getting are simply responses.

You are not a Democrat.

Yet you did pro actively respond to my reply to pahitits with reams and reams ? Actions do often speak louder than words

How can an MP who has voted FOR every deal put before them and has said they will do so to ANY future deal be trying to thwart brexit ?

Erolz. You are famous on this forum for your “War and Peace” posting penchant. Routinely far longer than just about anybody else’s efforts. Surely, you know that?

Honour the 2016 referendum vote. Then I’ll accept your protestations and fully support your right to campaign for EU membership. Otherwise, you’re just another hypocrite, exploring every devious avenue in order to overturn it, whilst kidding yourself that you’re a “democrat”.

Now, please, come back when you’ve something new to say and not the same old, same old.