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[Pyrpolizer]

We have had referendums in this country and the idea is to make them simplified and easy for the general public and not confuse them.

You have had a referendum in your country too asking a very simple binary choice on the Annan Plan.

There are no unknowns because it was confirmed MANY times that Brexit means getting out of the ECJ, Common Market, and EU. Article 50 also confirmed it as the default position is to BREXIT whether there is a deal or no deal. It confirms that Britain will leave the EU even if there is no deal and this law has primacy over the Benn Bill. All EU Law has primacy which is why Britain wants out.

The Republican Referendum in Australia was another binary choice: should Australia become a Republic.

The referendum in New Zealand last year was another binary choice: should the NZ flag be changed?

Paphitis, did you know that T.May's deal was not taking the UK out of the common market, and NI would have to abide to some aspects of the Single market, while they would both have no say on how the rules are made in the EU?
And you dare telling me there were no unknowns???

Hence why it was rejected.

The Conservative ERG which is the hard line right wing side of the Tories will not have it.

They prefer to not sign any such Surrender Treaties with what now appears to be an foreign enemy.

Which is way Boris has sent the ultimatum, that he is willing to negotiate but Britain is leaving no matter what happens.

Rejected alright but that's what Bojo would be very happy to bring back as a modified deal -by simply proposing ways of removing the backstop .That's what Junker also confirmed that all proposals by Bojo were.
Still the UK would be in the customs Union for at least 2 years and pay billions to the EU.
But using your own words Leaving was made very clear as meaning Leaving the customs union.
I don't see such a clear Leaving, for at least the next 2 years...

[Paphitis]

We have had referendums in this country and the idea is to make them simplified and easy for the general public and not confuse them.

You have had a referendum in your country too asking a very simple binary choice on the Annan Plan.

There are no unknowns because it was confirmed MANY times that Brexit means getting out of the ECJ, Common Market, and EU. Article 50 also confirmed it as the default position is to BREXIT whether there is a deal or no deal. It confirms that Britain will leave the EU even if there is no deal and this law has primacy over the Benn Bill. All EU Law has primacy which is why Britain wants out.

The Republican Referendum in Australia was another binary choice: should Australia become a Republic.

The referendum in New Zealand last year was another binary choice: should the NZ flag be changed?

Paphitis, did you know that T.May's deal was not taking the UK out of the common market, and NI would have to abide to some aspects of the Single market, while they would both have no say on how the rules are made in the EU?
And you dare telling me there were no unknowns???

Hence why it was rejected.

The Conservative ERG which is the hard line right wing side of the Tories will not have it.

They prefer to not sign any such Surrender Treaties with what now appears to be an foreign enemy.

Which is way Boris has sent the ultimatum, that he is willing to negotiate but Britain is leaving no matter what happens.

Rejected alright but that's what Bojo would be very happy to bring back as a modified deal -by simply proposing ways of removing the backstop .That's what Junker also confirmed that all proposals by Bojo were.
Still the UK would be in the customs Union for at least 2 years and pay billions to the EU.
But using your own words Leaving was made very clear as meaning Leaving the customs union.
I don't see such a clear Leaving, for at least the next 2 years...

He can't bring it back.

If he brings back any backstop it will get rejected by the ERG again.

The UK will not accept any such deals from the EU and are happy to have a clean break.

And no, there is no obligation to pay the EU one cent.

The only reason why there are negotiations is for Free Trade, but Britain has already stated that it is happy to Brexit under WTO. Without repealing Article 50, there is NOTHING the EU can do about that.

If Britain doesn't leave in 2 years, then isay bye bye to all the remainer MPs. It will be a majority Brexit Parliament and then lets see what happens.

I don't think you understand how the Brits are being mobilized here as Brexiteers!

No BRIT will ever forgive the EU or accept the EU as anything else other than an ENEMY. They don't even have to send an EU Commissioner which means no relationship with EU at all.

BORIS has already said he will not be sending one. Which means all British MEPs will even abandon their seats.

[Pyrpolizer]

As has been said a billionteen times, the question was remain a member of the EU or leave it... The people decided to leave...

All this No Deal stuff is a creation of Remainers after the vote to try and scare people into changing their minds...

As I've said before repeatedly, it won't be 'No Deal' as there already many deals in place... Like flying and the border and customs arrangements...

No Deal is a project fear scare story and Remainers should be ashamed of themselves for bringing it up repeatedly...

And I said countless of times the Leave option left much to the unknown. Since now everything is known what's keeping you from doing another ref/um getting the peoples final approval to Leave based on the deal you already got- be it for the flights and no effect on EU+British people residing?
Be brave enough and do it.
Lordo will support you 100%

[Paphitis]

As has been said a billionteen times, the question was remain a member of the EU or leave it... The people decided to leave...

All this No Deal stuff is a creation of Remainers after the vote to try and scare people into changing their minds...

As I've said before repeatedly, it won't be 'No Deal' as there already many deals in place... Like flying and the border and customs arrangements...

No Deal is a project fear scare story and Remainers should be ashamed of themselves for bringing it up repeatedly...

And I said countless of times the Leave option left much to the unknown. Since now everything is known what's keeping you from doing another ref/um getting the peoples final approval to Leave based on the deal you already got- be it for the flights and no effect on EU+British people residing?
Be brave enough and do it.
Lordo will support you 100%

It didn't leave anything to the unknown.

If people listened to the PM and read their pamphlet, then all the unknowns were answered in a simple Q&A.

Everyone knew what BREXIT means.

And there is a LOT of outrage over not having BREXIT done by now.

[Pyrpolizer]

He can't bring it back.
If he brings back any backstop it will get rejected by the ERG again.

Who said he can bring it back as it was. What he is trying to do is just remove the backstop issue. The rest of the deal will remain unaffected which means the UK will be in the Customs Union for another 2 years+

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49662531
The UK is insisting that the protocol on Ireland in the withdrawal agreement has to be stripped back pretty radically - to remove the backstop. It is designed to keep the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland (which will be the only land border between the EU and the UK after Brexit) as open as it is now, under all future circumstances.

And no, there is no obligation to pay the EU one cent.

Really?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_ ... _agreement

The agreement also sets up a transitional period, which lasts until 31 December 2020 and can be extended once by mutual consent. During the transitional period, the UK will remain a member of the European Economic Area, the single market, and the customs union, EU laws will continue to apply to the UK, and the UK will continue to pay into the EU budget.

[Pyrpolizer]

As has been said a billionteen times, the question was remain a member of the EU or leave it... The people decided to leave...

All this No Deal stuff is a creation of Remainers after the vote to try and scare people into changing their minds...

As I've said before repeatedly, it won't be 'No Deal' as there already many deals in place... Like flying and the border and customs arrangements...

No Deal is a project fear scare story and Remainers should be ashamed of themselves for bringing it up repeatedly...

And I said countless of times the Leave option left much to the unknown. Since now everything is known what's keeping you from doing another ref/um getting the peoples final approval to Leave based on the deal you already got- be it for the flights and no effect on EU+British people residing?
Be brave enough and do it.
Lordo will support you 100%

It didn't leave anything to the unknown.

If people listened to the PM and read their pamphlet, then all the unknowns were answered in a simple Q&A.

Everyone knew what BREXIT means.

And there is a LOT of outrage over not having BREXIT done by now.

Unsupported +illogical+ repetitive statements deserve a

Neeext!! ®

[Paphitis]

As has been said a billionteen times, the question was remain a member of the EU or leave it... The people decided to leave...

All this No Deal stuff is a creation of Remainers after the vote to try and scare people into changing their minds...

As I've said before repeatedly, it won't be 'No Deal' as there already many deals in place... Like flying and the border and customs arrangements...

No Deal is a project fear scare story and Remainers should be ashamed of themselves for bringing it up repeatedly...

And I said countless of times the Leave option left much to the unknown. Since now everything is known what's keeping you from doing another ref/um getting the peoples final approval to Leave based on the deal you already got- be it for the flights and no effect on EU+British people residing?
Be brave enough and do it.
Lordo will support you 100%

It didn't leave anything to the unknown.

If people listened to the PM and read their pamphlet, then all the unknowns were answered in a simple Q&A.

Everyone knew what BREXIT means.

And there is a LOT of outrage over not having BREXIT done by now.

Unsupported +illogical+ repetitive statements deserve a

Neeext!! ®

Stupidity statements and assumptions made on the intelligence and democratic rights of millions of people are deceitful and an attack on democracy.

[Paphitis]

He can't bring it back.
If he brings back any backstop it will get rejected by the ERG again.

Who said he can bring it back as it was. What he is trying to do is just remove the backstop issue. The rest of the deal will remain unaffected which means the UK will be in the Customs Union for another 2 years+

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49662531
The UK is insisting that the protocol on Ireland in the withdrawal agreement has to be stripped back pretty radically - to remove the backstop. It is designed to keep the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland (which will be the only land border between the EU and the UK after Brexit) as open as it is now, under all future circumstances.

And no, there is no obligation to pay the EU one cent.

Really?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_ ... _agreement

The agreement also sets up a transitional period, which lasts until 31 December 2020 and can be extended once by mutual consent. During the transitional period, the UK will remain a member of the European Economic Area, the single market, and the customs union, EU laws will continue to apply to the UK, and the UK will continue to pay into the EU budget.

You do not know what the deal will be if there is going to be a deal.

And one more thing, if there is going to be a watered down version of BREXIT where there is no BREXIT at all virtually, then the Tories are literally finished.

From your links:

The reception of the agreement in the House of Commons ranged from cool to hostile and the vote was delayed more than a month. Prime Minister May won a no confidence motion in her own party, but the EU refused to accept any further changes.

So pretty pointless serving the same thing up.

The best option is clean break and start from scratch.

[cyprusgrump]

He can't bring it back.
If he brings back any backstop it will get rejected by the ERG again.

Who said he can bring it back as it was. What he is trying to do is just remove the backstop issue. The rest of the deal will remain unaffected which means the UK will be in the Customs Union for another 2 years+

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49662531
The UK is insisting that the protocol on Ireland in the withdrawal agreement has to be stripped back pretty radically - to remove the backstop. It is designed to keep the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland (which will be the only land border between the EU and the UK after Brexit) as open as it is now, under all future circumstances.

And no, there is no obligation to pay the EU one cent.

Really?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_ ... _agreement

The agreement also sets up a transitional period, which lasts until 31 December 2020 and can be extended once by mutual consent. During the transitional period, the UK will remain a member of the European Economic Area, the single market, and the customs union, EU laws will continue to apply to the UK, and the UK will continue to pay into the EU budget.

You do not know what the deal will be if there is going to be a deal.

And one more thing, if there is going to be a watered down version of BREXIT where there is no BREXIT at all virtually, then the Tories are literally finished.

From your links:

The reception of the agreement in the House of Commons ranged from cool to hostile and the vote was delayed more than a month. Prime Minister May won a no confidence motion in her own party, but the EU refused to accept any further changes.

So pretty pointless serving the same thing up.

The best option is clean break and start from scratch.

Indeed... We have 40 years to decide if we liked it or not and despite the bullshit from the Remainers we decided we didn't and voted to leave...

[Pyrpolizer]

You do not know what the deal will be if there is going to be a deal.

Precicely! That’s what I was saying all along. Therefore you do need to get the peoples approval in a new ref/um after you know the details of the deal/no deal.

And one more thing, if there is going to be a watered down version of BREXIT where there is no BREXIT at all virtually, then the Tories are literally finished.

That’s what Bojo is currently doing with all those drafts he is passing to the EU.
They all concern the backstop issue.

The best option is clean break and start from scratch.

If that’s the best option out of all those unknowns, then what’s keeping you from asking the peoples final approval in a new referendum?