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[Paphitis]

anyway so it seems manchild molested a newspaper reporter or two but wait cumings's wife believes that as manchild never molested her so he could not have molested these girls.

oh well there is the proof if you ever needed any. he couldn't have done it.

can you really make a commnent about molesting a woman? are you really that far gone from humanity?

comings's wife says he could not have mplested those women because he never molested her. have you heard a better defence for a molester by a woman no less.

Enjoy!

[Pyrpolizer]

There was already a single way according to The Republican Movement and that was to implement a ceremonial President who will be appointed and not elected and who will not be a political; figure. So someone with great public service or even perhaps a retired Military General, Commodore or Admiral who served Australia.

The irony of this is that it would be a system similar to Greece.

If this was made known, the monarchists would be handed their Christmas and would win with 90% of the votes.

And to those who wanted the President to be elected (so its democratic) would result in the politicization of this office and a system more like the USA.

Christmas again for the Monarchists who would get 90% of the votes, including mine.

Better off not having a referendum at all.

Australians and Anglkos are not like Cypriots. They will not change the system for the sake of change. They won't become a Republic if the system is not broken and they look at all the Republics around the world and see they actually have the best system in the world. And it is true.

The choice in a referendum can only be binary and to be carried it will require 50% of the votes plus 1.

The point is that you can't make a ref/um asking the people for the unknown.
And if you do that, like you did in Australia and the unknown wins, then you have to do another referendum to get the people's final approval -in your case the approval of the model you came up.There's a possibility you won't get it, and you will end up working on models indefinitely.

[Paphitis]

There was already a single way according to The Republican Movement and that was to implement a ceremonial President who will be appointed and not elected and who will not be a political; figure. So someone with great public service or even perhaps a retired Military General, Commodore or Admiral who served Australia.

The irony of this is that it would be a system similar to Greece.

If this was made known, the monarchists would be handed their Christmas and would win with 90% of the votes.

And to those who wanted the President to be elected (so its democratic) would result in the politicization of this office and a system more like the USA.

Christmas again for the Monarchists who would get 90% of the votes, including mine.

Better off not having a referendum at all.

Australians and Anglkos are not like Cypriots. They will not change the system for the sake of change. They won't become a Republic if the system is not broken and they look at all the Republics around the world and see they actually have the best system in the world. And it is true.

The choice in a referendum can only be binary and to be carried it will require 50% of the votes plus 1.

The point is that you can't make a ref/um asking the people for the unknown.
And if you do that, like you did in Australia and the unknown wins, then you have to do another referendum to get the people's final approval -in your case the approval of the model you came up.There's a possibility you won't get it, and you will end up working on models indefinitely.

We have had referendums in this country and the idea is to make them simplified and easy for the general public and not confuse them.

You have had a referendum in your country too asking a very simple binary choice on the Annan Plan.

There are no unknowns because it was confirmed MANY times that Brexit means getting out of the ECJ, Common Market, and EU. Article 50 also confirmed it as the default position is to BREXIT whether there is a deal or no deal. It confirms that Britain will leave the EU even if there is no deal and this law has primacy over the Benn Bill. All EU Law has primacy which is why Britain wants out.

The Republican Referendum in Australia was another binary choice: should Australia become a Republic.

The referendum in New Zealand last year was another binary choice: should the NZ flag be changed?

[Pyrpolizer]

No I am sorry but you can't rig the result like that.

NO DEAL BREXIT doesn't really exist and that is a play on words to get the result you want.

These are very dirty tactics. If you use the word NO DEAL, some people will freak out. It's like saddling the Brexit horse with a huge amount of weight to make it impossible to win.

Why not just change remain n the EU with the option of losing control of immigration and sovereign borders? That would make it a fair race at least.

I see. So in your opinion it's better to steal the vote of the people you voted "Leave" expecting it to be with a deal, to impose a no deal brexit.
Don't you understand this is the cause of the current mess?
Don't you understand the only way to resolve the issue is to have another ref/um asking the people for the only 2 KNOWN options?
If not, then refer to the case of Switzerland, where the referendum was declared void, not because one of the options was unknown, but for the simple reason they did not have enough info.

[Paphitis]

No I am sorry but you can't rig the result like that.

NO DEAL BREXIT doesn't really exist and that is a play on words to get the result you want.

These are very dirty tactics. If you use the word NO DEAL, some people will freak out. It's like saddling the Brexit horse with a huge amount of weight to make it impossible to win.

Why not just change remain n the EU with the option of losing control of immigration and sovereign borders? That would make it a fair race at least.

I see. So in your opinion it's better to steal the vote of the people you voted "Leave" expecting it to be with a deal, to impose a no deal brexit.
Don't you understand this is the cause of the current mess?
Don't you understand the only way to resolve the issue is to have another ref/um asking the people for the only 2 KNOWN options?
If not, then refer to the case of Switzerland, where the referendum was declared void, not because one of the options was unknown, but for the simple reason they did not have enough info.

There was no stealing of anyone's vote at all.

Everyone knew very well that Leave means leaving the common market and trading under WTO. That was explained by the then remainer Prime Minister Cameron who also confirmed it in the leaflets that were sent to every eligible voter.

It was also confirmed when Parliament passed Article 50 - which makes BREXIT inevitable.

If you think it's ok to change the goalposts with prerogatives then it should apply to both sides and the other option should be REMAIN: and let EU control our immigration and borders.

[Pyrpolizer]

We have had referendums in this country and the idea is to make them simplified and easy for the general public and not confuse them.

You have had a referendum in your country too asking a very simple binary choice on the Annan Plan.

There are no unknowns because it was confirmed MANY times that Brexit means getting out of the ECJ, Common Market, and EU. Article 50 also confirmed it as the default position is to BREXIT whether there is a deal or no deal. It confirms that Britain will leave the EU even if there is no deal and this law has primacy over the Benn Bill. All EU Law has primacy which is why Britain wants out.

The Republican Referendum in Australia was another binary choice: should Australia become a Republic.

The referendum in New Zealand last year was another binary choice: should the NZ flag be changed?

Paphitis, did you know that T.May's deal was not taking the UK out of the common market, and NI would have to abide to some aspects of the Single market, while they would both have no say on how the rules are made in the EU?
And you dare telling me there were no unknowns???

[Paphitis]

We have had referendums in this country and the idea is to make them simplified and easy for the general public and not confuse them.

You have had a referendum in your country too asking a very simple binary choice on the Annan Plan.

There are no unknowns because it was confirmed MANY times that Brexit means getting out of the ECJ, Common Market, and EU. Article 50 also confirmed it as the default position is to BREXIT whether there is a deal or no deal. It confirms that Britain will leave the EU even if there is no deal and this law has primacy over the Benn Bill. All EU Law has primacy which is why Britain wants out.

The Republican Referendum in Australia was another binary choice: should Australia become a Republic.

The referendum in New Zealand last year was another binary choice: should the NZ flag be changed?

Paphitis, did you know that T.May's deal was not taking the UK out of the common market, and NI would have to abide to some aspects of the Single market, while they would both have no say on how the rules are made in the EU?
And you dare telling me there were no unknowns???

Hence why it was rejected.

The Conservative ERG which is the hard line right wing side of the Tories will not have it.

They prefer to not sign any such Surrender Treaties with what now appears to be an foreign enemy.

Which is way Boris has sent the ultimatum, that he is willing to negotiate but Britain is leaving no matter what happens.

[Pyrpolizer]

No I am sorry but you can't rig the result like that.

NO DEAL BREXIT doesn't really exist and that is a play on words to get the result you want.

These are very dirty tactics. If you use the word NO DEAL, some people will freak out. It's like saddling the Brexit horse with a huge amount of weight to make it impossible to win.

Why not just change remain n the EU with the option of losing control of immigration and sovereign borders? That would make it a fair race at least.

I see. So in your opinion it's better to steal the vote of the people you voted "Leave" expecting it to be with a deal, to impose a no deal brexit.
Don't you understand this is the cause of the current mess?
Don't you understand the only way to resolve the issue is to have another ref/um asking the people for the only 2 KNOWN options?
If not, then refer to the case of Switzerland, where the referendum was declared void, not because one of the options was unknown, but for the simple reason they did not have enough info.

There was no stealing of anyone's vote at all.

Everyone knew very well that Leave means leaving the common market and trading under WTO. That was explained by the then remainer Prime Minister Cameron who also confirmed it in the leaflets that were sent to every eligible voter.

It was also confirmed when Parliament passed Article 50 - which makes BREXIT inevitable.

If you think it's ok to change the goalposts with prerogatives then it should apply to both sides and the other option should be REMAIN: and let EU control our immigration and borders.

He was also in the dark, and the current realities proved him wrong.
That's what happens when both the leadership and the people try to predict the unknown.

[Paphitis]

No I am sorry but you can't rig the result like that.

NO DEAL BREXIT doesn't really exist and that is a play on words to get the result you want.

These are very dirty tactics. If you use the word NO DEAL, some people will freak out. It's like saddling the Brexit horse with a huge amount of weight to make it impossible to win.

Why not just change remain n the EU with the option of losing control of immigration and sovereign borders? That would make it a fair race at least.

I see. So in your opinion it's better to steal the vote of the people you voted "Leave" expecting it to be with a deal, to impose a no deal brexit.
Don't you understand this is the cause of the current mess?
Don't you understand the only way to resolve the issue is to have another ref/um asking the people for the only 2 KNOWN options?
If not, then refer to the case of Switzerland, where the referendum was declared void, not because one of the options was unknown, but for the simple reason they did not have enough info.

There was no stealing of anyone's vote at all.

Everyone knew very well that Leave means leaving the common market and trading under WTO. That was explained by the then remainer Prime Minister Cameron who also confirmed it in the leaflets that were sent to every eligible voter.

It was also confirmed when Parliament passed Article 50 - which makes BREXIT inevitable.

If you think it's ok to change the goalposts with prerogatives then it should apply to both sides and the other option should be REMAIN: and let EU control our immigration and borders.

He was also in the dark, and the current realities proved him wrong.
That's what happens when both the leadership and the people try to predict the unknown.

The only reality here is that Britain is a sovereign power.

The EU is trying to be but has no hold or legitimacy over Britain.

The people have had their say, and so the EU can FECK OFF and go to HELL!

It can't be anymore clearer than that. The British are taking over control of their country.

Literally I don't think you understand. The British Flag is sovereign. People died under it. the EU Flag is toilet paper.

The British Union Jack is also on a number of other flags.

The EU is not a UN Member.

Britain has the right to get out of the EU under the terms of its own choosing and will not be dictated to by the EU with any agreement that goes against British Interests. They are now a country trying to rid itself from a foreign empirical power wannabe.

[cyprusgrump]

No I am sorry but you can't rig the result like that.

NO DEAL BREXIT doesn't really exist and that is a play on words to get the result you want.

These are very dirty tactics. If you use the word NO DEAL, some people will freak out. It's like saddling the Brexit horse with a huge amount of weight to make it impossible to win.

Why not just change remain n the EU with the option of losing control of immigration and sovereign borders? That would make it a fair race at least.

I see. So in your opinion it's better to steal the vote of the people you voted "Leave" expecting it to be with a deal, to impose a no deal brexit.
Don't you understand this is the cause of the current mess?
Don't you understand the only way to resolve the issue is to have another ref/um asking the people for the only 2 KNOWN options?
If not, then refer to the case of Switzerland, where the referendum was declared void, not because one of the options was unknown, but for the simple reason they did not have enough info.

As has been said a billionteen times, the question was remain a member of the EU or leave it... The people decided to leave...

All this No Deal stuff is a creation of Remainers after the vote to try and scare people into changing their minds...

As I've said before repeatedly, it won't be 'No Deal' as there already many deals in place... Like flying and the border and customs arrangements...

No Deal is a project fear scare story and Remainers should be ashamed of themselves for bringing it up repeatedly...