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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:12 pm

Londonrake wrote:


Hw went to the same school as Junker.


come now man are they the same age?
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:17 pm

anyway here is an important thing.

here is a motion labour passed regarding immigration:
to extend free movement and ruling out certain forms of immigration systems.

here is telegraphs take on it:
labour pledged to scrap all controls on immigration

if you want to see the full motion here it is:

>>>On its final day, Labour conference has approved a radical policy motion advocating the extension of free movement, the closure of all detention centres and the awarding of equal voting rights to all UK residents.
The party position on freedom of movement has been a source of tension within the party since the result of the 2016 EU referendum, after which Labour appeared to decide that this one of the EU’s four economic freedoms would not continue after Brexit.
Labour’s 2017 manifesto stated: “Freedom of movement will end when we leave the European Union.” In April, Jeremy Corbyn’s spokesperson confirmed that Labour policy was that freedom of movement would end with Brexit.
But Labour conference delegates this morning voted against that policy, and in favour of both maintaining and extending freedom of movement as part of a range of immigration policy pledges proposed by Camberwell and Peckham CLP.
The immigration motion approved supports the dismantling of the ‘hostile environment’ through a number of measures, from specific legislative moves to broader party campaign objectives.
In the UK, full voting rights are currently limited to citizens of the UK, Ireland and Commonwealth countries. EU citizens living in the UK can vote in local and European elections, but not general elections.
The motion seeks to instruct the next Labour government to change the situation, such that non-EU and non-Commonwealth citizens are awarded the right to vote in all elections. Nondiscriminatory national voting rights are rare, with New Zealand being a notable exception.
Ana Oppenheim, from the Labour Campaign for Free Movement and an organiser for Another Europe is Possible, commented: “In 2017, it was a source of shame for many activists that our manifesto included ending free movement. Now we can move forward not only committed to defending free movement, but to giving migrants to vote. If we win, the next election will be the last election in which people like me are shut out of the democratic process.”
The Labour Party is not strictly bound by policy passed at its annual conference. The vote on the immigration motion was overwhelming, with only part of the CWU delegation opposed it. However, it is the ‘Clause V’ meeting – held once an election is called – that decides which parts of the party programme are included in the party manifesto.
Below is the full text of the immigration motion passed at Labour conference 2019.
Free movement, equality and rights for migrants, are socialist values and benefit us all.
Confronted with attacks on migrants – from the racist Hostile Environment to the Conservatives’ Immigration Bill that plans to end free movement and strip the rights of working-class migrants – we stand for solidarity, equality and freedom.
Scapegoating, ending free movement and attacking migrants’ rights are attacks on all workers. They make migrant workers more precarious and vulnerable to hyperexploitation, pressing down wages and conditions for everyone. They divide us, making it harder to unionise and push back.
Labour offers real solutions to fix the problems which are unfairly and incorrectly blamed on migrants themselves: public funding for good jobs; homes, services and social security for everyone; scrapping anti-union laws to support workers organising for improved conditions and wages. Migrant workers are already central to trade union campaigns beating low pay and exploitation, in spite of prevailing attitudes and Tory legislation.
Labour will include in the manifesto pledges to:
• Oppose the current Tory immigration legislation and any curbing of rights.
• Campaign for free movement, equality and rights for migrants.
• Reject any immigration system based on incomes, migrants’ utility to business, and number caps/targets.
• Close all detention centres.
• Ensure unconditional right to family reunion.
• Maintain and extend free movement rights.
• End “no recourse to public funds” policies.
• Scrap all Hostile Environment measures, use of landlords and public service providers as border guards, and restrictions on migrants’ NHS access.
• Actively challenge anti-immigrant narratives.
• Extend equal rights to vote to all UK residents
Mover: Camberwell and Peckham CLP
Seconder: Edinburgh Central CLP>>>>>
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:19 pm

here is the plan of labour. enjoy
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Re: what next?

Postby B25 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:22 pm

Bwahahah what crock of shit. If they win an election on this manifesto the uk deserves all the sit it will get in the future. This must be a million times worst than a no deal Brexit ffs.
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:58 pm

B25 wrote:Bwahahah what crock of shit. If they win an election on this manifesto the uk deserves all the sit it will get in the future. This must be a million times worst than a no deal Brexit ffs.

tsapises simmera i bodises?

i aygree with you. it would be as bad as it was when people working hours of 18 hours per day for 7 days and 8 hours a day for 5 days. i mean what the hell were the people thinking of. how dare they expect to live.

lets go back to the 70s and 80s before comuterisation took off and see how much each worker produced in 40 hours and compared that to the increase of production because of computerisation and see what the result was. id say the production went up 5 times compared to previous, did peoples's wages go up 5 times? no? so what happened to the extra wealth that was created by the working people to this day?

the new policy which is a radical one is to change the live to work policy to work to live. some pibol have already managed that but very few.

you were born an asshole and will die one.

hade bgahe di tsappasou dje argebse na tsapisis, aguses?
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:22 pm

B25 wrote:Bwahahah what crock of shit. If they win an election on this manifesto the uk deserves all the sit it will get in the future. This must be a million times worst than a no deal Brexit ffs.



Indeed, the UK will look like Venezuela before the end of the first five years in office... :roll:
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:25 pm

Lordo wrote:here is the plan of labour. enjoy







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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:30 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
B25 wrote:Bwahahah what crock of shit. If they win an election on this manifesto the uk deserves all the sit it will get in the future. This must be a million times worst than a no deal Brexit ffs.



Indeed, the UK will look like Venezuela before the end of the first five years in office... :roll:

you are the second person to mention venezuela to me. which bit of america is suffocating them do you find difficult to understad. or is that you are so stupid that you can't even see it. ignornace is bliss. they did the same to cuba since the revolution. it is disgusting that america pokes its nose in every other country's business. its been going on since the second world war.

ironically the very weapon they designed will destroy them in the end. they will regret ever designing a drone.
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:33 pm

Lordo wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
B25 wrote:Bwahahah what crock of shit. If they win an election on this manifesto the uk deserves all the sit it will get in the future. This must be a million times worst than a no deal Brexit ffs.



Indeed, the UK will look like Venezuela before the end of the first five years in office... :roll:

you are the second person to mention venezuela to me. which bit of america is suffocating them do you find difficult to understad. or is that you are so stupid that you can't even see it. ignornace is bliss. they did the same to cuba since the revelution. it is disgusting that america pokes its nose in every other country's business. its been going on since the second world war.



Nothing to do with socialism, nationalising successful industries and destroying them or price controls then...?
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:38 pm

there is something missing from the promisses made. they must change the tax system from 19% of tax on profits to 5% on turnover. if you earn money in a country you have topay the tax. you can't use acounting systems to divert the profits to tax havens. i am glad to see that the french government has started with 3%. trump of course has quickly come to the establishment's aid and threatend them with tax on their exports to usa. not forgetting that trump used to idea of draining the swamp of the establishment and the tax cuts he has already given to the establishment in the swamp.
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