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[Pyrpolizer]

They are not official statements.

Germany has clearly outlined that in the event of NO DEAL BREXIT which they think is very likely, negotiations will still continue for Free Trade between the EU and Britain which means Britain will trade under WTO Article 24 which means no Tariffs. at all.

Even Australia trades with the EU on a zero Tariff basis.

https://fullfact.org/europe/article-24/

It is very easy for the EU and Britain to agree to a time schedule for these negotiations. Even Australia is in the advance stages of negotiations.

I am wondering whether you read the links you post.
This is what your link says:
Conclusion

This is very unlikely in practice. This refers to Article 24 of the WTO’s General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade. It allows countries who are negotiating a free-trade area or customs union to have an interim agreement on trade tariffs for a period of (in most cases) up to ten years provided they have a “plan and schedule” agreed for concluding a final deal.

Negotiations with Canada started in 2009 it's been 10 years and have not been implemented yet.
In no way there will be a FREE trade deal with Canada or the UK with zero Tariffs on everything.

Australia started negotiations in May 2018.
If you think the draft agreement is for ZERO tariffs you are wrong.
For example lamb from Australia currently pays 12.8% plus €1.71/Kg which is enough to make it non competitive.
And that's what most probably will be the final tariff after 10+years when the negotiations will end.
The EU Paphitis Fs everybody in trade deals. It only accepts what it suits her. It currently Fs Australia too in exporting double than what it imports.
https://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.h ... country=AU

[Pyrpolizer]

Or do you think that poor people should contribute to the £13B to the EU and then pay more than necessary for their food to subsidise wealthy land owners...?

The 13 billion is plain propaganda.
You pay 13 billion you get 5 billion back. The net so far is 8.
Deduct 6.5 for the salaries and allowances of your MEPs the net so far is 1.5 billion.
Deduct their pensions then what?
Even if we stop at the 1.5 billion that's only €23 per person/year!

[Pyrpolizer]

British farmers are always more efficient than EU farmers and their quality is better as well.

Have you forgotten the horse meat scandal.

Brits are very good farmers. Its the same as the Americans and Australians. We now how to farm and produce massive primary industries. We are the global food basket and make Billions from it whilst in Greece and France they are too busy blocking roads and protesting near their Parliament. I am amazed the EU allows it in fact.

I know they are very good farmers. That was an ironic response to grumpy who said the British farmers are inefficient.

[Pyrpolizer]

BTW, in the Australian Beef Industry they have a high end product called Wagyu Steaks. It's premium cut and the cows are fed on salt marsh.

It's the most expensive meat you can get and the grading is evaluated based on the Marbling or the fat content within the meat fibres. The steak is suppose to look like a marble slab of meat and fat.

Cypriots DO NOT know about meat, lamb or beef compared to the Kiwis, Yanks and Australians. I am sorry but we are renowned down here for our lamb and beef.

You are renowned for horse meat!

Souvla my friggin arse. When Cypriots learn to cook a good barby or souvla then come and speak to me. You people have this habit of killing the animal twice. Once at the slaughterhouse and again on the Souvla by over cooking it and drying the meat out. It's a travesty. And all you people look at me as some weirdo saying my meat is still dripping in blood and raw. Yours taste like cardboard.

You need to fist look at the Kiwis and Aussies who can teach you how to cook meat and then come and talk to us.

Kiwis, Aussies and Yanks would destroy you when it comes to Souvla and actually cooking meat right and in the correct proportions and manner so that the meat is tender and melts in your mouth succulently.

They will also teach you how to drink a nice beer. Need some good lessons in this departments as well.

Neeext!! ®

[Paphitis]

British farmers are always more efficient than EU farmers and their quality is better as well.

Have you forgotten the horse meat scandal.

Brits are very good farmers. Its the same as the Americans and Australians. We now how to farm and produce massive primary industries. We are the global food basket and make Billions from it whilst in Greece and France they are too busy blocking roads and protesting near their Parliament. I am amazed the EU allows it in fact.

I know they are very good farmers. That was an ironic response to grumpy who said the British farmers are inefficient.

Ok I understand.

He is a free marketeer.

British farmers shouldn’t have problem in a free market environment. I am always willing to spend a few cents more for quality and high standards.

I am sure the EU has high standards but so do the Brits and I say that because I know know for a fact that Australia and New Zealand have very high standards and have etched a remarkable international presence.

[Paphitis]

They are not official statements.

Germany has clearly outlined that in the event of NO DEAL BREXIT which they think is very likely, negotiations will still continue for Free Trade between the EU and Britain which means Britain will trade under WTO Article 24 which means no Tariffs. at all.

Even Australia trades with the EU on a zero Tariff basis.

https://fullfact.org/europe/article-24/

It is very easy for the EU and Britain to agree to a time schedule for these negotiations. Even Australia is in the advance stages of negotiations.

I am wondering whether you read the links you post.
This is what your link says:
Conclusion

This is very unlikely in practice. This refers to Article 24 of the WTO’s General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade. It allows countries who are negotiating a free-trade area or customs union to have an interim agreement on trade tariffs for a period of (in most cases) up to ten years provided they have a “plan and schedule” agreed for concluding a final deal.

Negotiations with Canada started in 2009 it's been 10 years and have not been implemented yet.
In no way there will be a FREE trade deal with Canada or the UK with zero Tariffs on everything.

Australia started negotiations in May 2018.
If you think the draft agreement is for ZERO tariffs you are wrong.
For example lamb from Australia currently pays 12.8% plus €1.71/Kg which is enough to make it non competitive.
And that's what most probably will be the final tariff after 10+years when the negotiations will end.
The EU Paphitis Fs everybody in trade deals. It only accepts what it suits her. It currently Fs Australia too in exporting double than what it imports.
https://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.h ... country=AU

Yes I read the links I post and I know the EU will use every loophole to save big industry losing money. This is all about big business and capitalism. The interests of Mercedes and BMW and tens of thousands manufacturing jobs will prevail. Oxygen always rises to the surface sunshine!

It is apparent to me that Britain and the EU are already on a timetable to an inevitable FTD. All they need to do is say they are on a timeframe to achieve this and set the parameters. The only given is that they might not get there by Halloween.

Money always talks and the bullshit always walks and that holds true from every family dining table to every country. Wake up! Wake up and smell the coffee! Wakey wakey eggs and bakey!

[Paphitis]

BTW, in the Australian Beef Industry they have a high end product called Wagyu Steaks. It's premium cut and the cows are fed on salt marsh.

It's the most expensive meat you can get and the grading is evaluated based on the Marbling or the fat content within the meat fibres. The steak is suppose to look like a marble slab of meat and fat.

Cypriots DO NOT know about meat, lamb or beef compared to the Kiwis, Yanks and Australians. I am sorry but we are renowned down here for our lamb and beef.

You are renowned for horse meat!

Souvla my friggin arse. When Cypriots learn to cook a good barby or souvla then come and speak to me. You people have this habit of killing the animal twice. Once at the slaughterhouse and again on the Souvla by over cooking it and drying the meat out. It's a travesty. And all you people look at me as some weirdo saying my meat is still dripping in blood and raw. Yours taste like cardboard.

You need to fist look at the Kiwis and Aussies who can teach you how to cook meat and then come and talk to us.

Kiwis, Aussies and Yanks would destroy you when it comes to Souvla and actually cooking meat right and in the correct proportions and manner so that the meat is tender and melts in your mouth succulently.

They will also teach you how to drink a nice beer. Need some good lessons in this departments as well.

Neeext!! ®

Are, arhisan h sahlamares bale!

[Paphitis]

I’m having a nice Barossa Wine and some nice mixed grill in Brisbane and right now, RAAF EW-18G Aircraft are flying along the Brisbane River below the high rise buildings left and right.

I love the smell of napalm and JetA1 in the morning.

Got goose bumps!

Yesterday the Yanks were at Brisbane Airport -as well with their air to air refuellers. Thank you Trump!

[Pyrpolizer]

Btw if we were out of the EU only a crazy Minister would do such a thing to Cypriot farmers, letting imported lamb kill our own production.
It's primary wealth, it contributes to all other sectors of the economy, it feeds people, it makes us self sufficient in food supply and safe in case of war. Besides we don't know how to shift to more productive activities. Do you in the UK?

The great thing about a free market is that it lets you discover if you can or can't...

If you distort the market by giving some subsidies or putting tariffs on others you are effectively asking the government (or the EU) to pick winners - something they are notoriously bad at doing.

Government ministers, or their advisers or the groups with vested interests that lobby them simply can't be as well informed (or impartial) as the vast aggregate knowledge of the free market.

So yes, it may well be that the best thing for country X is to produce their own food/wine/cars... But it may be the case that consumers would get a cheaper or better quality product at a lower price if the government didn't interfere...

When they started building the Model T Ford in 1908 we didn't subsidise buggy whip manufacturers, they went off and did more productive things...

That's generally true.
I don't know how strong of a lobby the British farmers have, but in Cyprus they are very weak.
Subsidizing the farmers is some sort of social matter imo plus it helps getting the most out of a country's natural resources. . There will always be unskilled workers, there will always be people in rural areas, Not good packing them all in big cities.
I personally have a small orchard, it costs me practically zero, and I don't get any subsidies, watering is automatic, and collecting the fruits costs me zero-I actually assign the job to a real farmer and he gives me 50%. I buy no olive oil, no lemons, and this year I got more than 50 Kg of figs (averaged €5.50/kg). These don't add to Cyprus' GDP but they save me about €1000 pa from spending. I also give fruit free of charge to my relatives. Agriculture is a great thing I will probably do it in another life.

[cyprusgrump]

Or do you think that poor people should contribute to the £13B to the EU and then pay more than necessary for their food to subsidise wealthy land owners...?

The 13 billion is plain propaganda.
You pay 13 billion you get 5 billion back. The net so far is 8.
Deduct 6.5 for the salaries and allowances of your MEPs the net so far is 1.5 billion.
Deduct their pensions then what?
Even if we stop at the 1.5 billion that's only €23 per person/year!

Nope!

We pay £17B and get 5 back...

The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back.

In 2018 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at nearly £9 billion.

Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth about £4 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £17 billion in contributions.

And where on earth do you get £6½B for MEP salaries?

Neeeexxxxt!