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[Lordo]

interesting to see the size of the files infront of the pibol.
do you suppose the bridish proposals are in shorthand?
or is it in hieroglyphics?

[Paphitis]

How can anyone get prepared when they don't even know what the tariffs will be.
Importers will just roll the cost on the consumer, and exporters will yield to pressure for lower prices.
That's how the markets work.

there will be no Tariffs.

That is just scare mongering.

Tariffs are not in the EU's or Germany's interest. The EU already confirmed this and even stated that trade will likely continue under Article 24 with zero Tariffs,

The German car industry will nearly collapse.

What the Eu confirmed is this:

The EU has confirmed that in the event of no deal, it will apply its existing tariffs to imports coming from the UK. WTO rules mean it could do no less. A list of all of the tariffs the EU would apply to the UK is set out in the EU’s Common Customs Tariff (CCT) schedule, for example lamb exporters to the EU would face a tariff of around 67%, whilst beef is around 85%

https://www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-n ... d-the-wto/

What the UK said it would do on a temporary 12 month basis is this:

Under the temporary tariff, 87% of total imports to the UK by value would be eligible for tariff free access.
Tariffs would still apply to 13% of goods imported into the UK. This includes:.....

https://www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-n ... d-the-wto/

They are not official statements.

Germany has clearly outlined that in the event of NO DEAL BREXIT which they think is very likely, negotiations will still continue for Free Trade between the EU and Britain which means Britain will trade under WTO Article 24 which means no Tariffs. at all.

Even Australia trades with the EU on a zero Tariff basis.

https://fullfact.org/europe/article-24/

It is very easy for the EU and Britain to agree to a time schedule for these negotiations. Even Australia is in the advance stages of negotiations.

[Paphitis]

And for some reason Remoaners thing staying in the EU and paying so much more for food and other goods is a good thing...?

How terrible it would be to get cheap, tariff free food from other countries instead of protecting inefficient EU farmers...

Are you trying to say "How terrible it would be to get cheap(?), NON tariff free food from other countries instead of protecting inefficient UK farmers... "

why don't you ask your own Gvnt??

a mixture of tariffs and quotas on beef, lamb, pork, poultry and some dairy to support farmers and producers who have historically been protected through high EU tariffs

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/temp ... -published

British farmers are always more efficient than EU farmers and their quality is better as well.

Have you forgotten the horse meat scandal.

Brits are very good farmers. Its the same as the Americans and Australians. We now how to farm and produce massive primary industries. We are the global food basket and make Billions from it whilst in Greece and France they are too busy blocking roads and protesting near their Parliament. I am amazed the EU allows it in fact.

[Paphitis]

How can anyone get prepared when they don't even know what the tariffs will be.
Importers will just roll the cost on the consumer, and exporters will yield to pressure for lower prices.
That's how the markets work.

there will be no Tariffs.

That is just scare mongering.

Tariffs are not in the EU's or Germany's interest. The EU already confirmed this and even stated that trade will likely continue under Article 24 with zero Tariffs,

The German car industry will nearly collapse.

"
there will be no Tariffs."
Says General Plonker !!
The German car industry such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW will go out of ..business !! Can you imagine a world without Mercedes and BMW ?
German ingenuity is by far the most advanced in the world, thats why Germany is TOP DOG in the EU. A fact resented by little Englanders and idiots such as you !!

Yes they will take a spiral dive into oblivion. yes BREXIT has the potential to push 1 or 2 over the edge.

Britain is Germany's biggest EU customer by a long shot. Why? Biggest the Brits have the biggest disposable incomes for things like Mercedes and BMW.

That's right you traitorous bozo, little Englanders have enough money to buy Mercedes and BMW.

You are a friggin traitor to Britain and a traitor to democracy!

[Paphitis]

The answer is very simple: Because food just like agriculture/mining/hydrocarbons is primary wealth that recirculates in the economy 19(?) times and is what actually can make a Country rich.
The UK can't let competitive food enter tariff free for this very simple reason.

Yes it can.

Australia has zero Tariffs and our farmers sell their produce to Asia, Europe, and the Americas and can't produce enough.

We have a multi Billion Dollar industry with wheat, barley, sugar, Beef, Lamb, Wool, Milk and Dairy, Bananas, Grapes, Wines, Apples, Vegetables, Nectarines, and everything you can imagine.

If you produce quality, there will be a demand for it and in our case the Japanese and Chinese are willing to pay for the best.

[Paphitis]

Explain why it makes more sense to grow food in the UK if we can get it cheaper from abroad...? c

The policy of importing anything which is cheaper from abroad, is what made Trump impose heavy import tariffs on the first place.
Do you think your economy is so elastic that can divert those 50,000 farmers to more productive activities?
Do you think those more productive activities will increase your exports to offset the increase in imports?
What are those more productive activities that would increase your exports on the first place?

It looks your own Brexit with no deal Government doesn't agree with you, and they already announced that local production of meat will be protected with tariffs.

BTW, it is a very simple question...

If it was possible for you to go to Paps or Alpha Mega and buy Lamb for your souvla from outside the EU that was much cheaper than 'EU' lamb do you think that would be a good thing or a bad thing for Cypriots - especially poor Cypriots...?

New Zealand lamb is far higher quality too.

You can't beat the Kiwis when it comes to Milk, Dairy, Cheese and Lamb. World leaders.

[Paphitis]

Explain why it makes more sense to grow food in the UK if we can get it cheaper from abroad...? c

The policy of importing anything which is cheaper from abroad, is what made Trump impose heavy import tariffs on the first place.
Do you think your economy is so elastic that can divert those 50,000 farmers to more productive activities?
Do you think those more productive activities will increase your exports to offset the increase in imports?
What are those more productive activities that would increase your exports on the first place?

It looks your own Brexit with no deal Government doesn't agree with you, and they already announced that local production of meat will be protected with tariffs.

BTW, it is a very simple question...

If it was possible for you to go to Paps or Alpha Mega and buy Lamb for your souvla from outside the EU that was much cheaper than 'EU' lamb do you think that would be a good thing or a bad thing for Cypriots - especially poor Cypriots...?

We actually do have that option. I once bought NZ lamb-deep frozen for unknown years, shit half of it was fat. We threw in the dustbin.
When I was conscript (a long time before joining the EU) that's what they were feeding us, and it was not only disgusting, but also like rubber. I was only eating the potatoes and bread. Those of us that were eating it, developed breasts and it was big news at the time

I always buy FRESH local lamb, or FRESH lamb imported from Greece or Bulgaria which is slightly cheaper than the local.
Is there anything better than FRESH food CG?
FCS don't kill your food production if you get out of the EU.

Sometimes I buy those "Chicita" bananas they import, they all smell chemicals. No, better wait for Paphos to deliver their seasonal, smaller but healthier bananas.

BTW, in the Australian Beef Industry they have a high end product called Wagyu Steaks. It's premium cut and the cows are fed on salt marsh.

It's the most expensive meat you can get and the grading is evaluated based on the Marbling or the fat content within the meat fibres. The steak is suppose to look like a marble slab of meat and fat.

Cypriots DO NOT know about meat, lamb or beef compared to the Kiwis, Yanks and Australians. I am sorry but we are renowned down here for our lamb and beef.

You are renowned for horse meat!

Souvla my friggin arse. When Cypriots learn to cook a good barby or souvla then come and speak to me. You people have this habit of killing the animal twice. Once at the slaughterhouse and again on the Souvla by over cooking it and drying the meat out. It's a travesty. And all you people look at me as some weirdo saying my meat is still dripping in blood and raw. Yours taste like cardboard.

You need to fist look at the Kiwis and Aussies who can teach you how to cook meat and then come and talk to us.

Kiwis, Aussies and Yanks would destroy you when it comes to Souvla and actually cooking meat right and in the correct proportions and manner so that the meat is tender and melts in your mouth succulently.

They will also teach you how to drink a nice beer. Need some good lessons in this departments as well.

[Paphitis]

BREXIT is a walk in the park: Cummins

[cyprusgrump]

Btw if we were out of the EU only a crazy Minister would do such a thing to Cypriot farmers, letting imported lamb kill our own production.
It's primary wealth, it contributes to all other sectors of the economy, it feeds people, it makes us self sufficient in food supply and safe in case of war. Besides we don't know how to shift to more productive activities. Do you in the UK?

The great thing about a free market is that it lets you discover if you can or can't...

If you distort the market by giving some subsidies or putting tariffs on others you are effectively asking the government (or the EU) to pick winners - something they are notoriously bad at doing.

Government ministers, or their advisers or the groups with vested interests that lobby them simply can't be as well informed (or impartial) as the vast aggregate knowledge of the free market.

So yes, it may well be that the best thing for country X is to produce their own food/wine/cars... But it may be the case that consumers would get a cheaper or better quality product at a lower price if the government didn't interfere...

When they started building the Model T Ford in 1908 we didn't subsidise buggy whip manufacturers, they went off and did more productive things...

[Paphitis]

There will be no surrender from Britain to a foreign power. Make no mistake of that!