Londonrake wrote:Pyro.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
One of the features of this situation, since day one, has been the use of propaganda (aka lies) to promote each side of the cause. Whilst I've lost count of the likes of the NHS bus being trawled over, the blatant lies the "establishment" told ********* in the referendum campaign have been swept away though. Never to be discussed by the remain cause who, in essence, act as though it never happened. Despite that, to myself and a great many others it's fundamental.
Project Fear, a blitz of scare-mongering, continues to this day. Now, instead of the (immediate) dire consequences of voting to leave they've simply transported the apocalypse to No Deal (which is actually just a euphemism/excuse for not leaving). The closer the "threat" of Brexit looms the more of it we get. Recently, a veritable avalanche.
Your posts and Lordo's/Kikapu's are sometimes typical examples of the technique. For instance, a simple one sentence response from yourself to a post by Paphitis, stating that UK GDP would drop by 20% in year one of no deal. That's obviously ludicrous but par for the course and might be accepted at face value by some. It's a basic Goebbel's technique. Tell a big lie often enough and.....................
Whilst not directly related, the assertion that the Cypriot economy crashed by 40% in 2013 was obviously equally wrong. In fact, the loss of GDP was closer to 5%. That, in pretty disastrous times for the country.
The bottom line is that many remainers can't wean themselves off Project Fear. It was all lies then and many believe it's exactly the same again now. Crying Wolf. Where's the remain credibility after the referendum campaign fiasco?
I imagine it's a great concern for the mouth-foaming remainer type that if, instead of the oft-promoted end-of-the-world, actually not much at all happens. In here there would I'm sure be pages of their past Armageddon quote posts. A rod made for the back.
****** An interesting feature of the referendum campaign and since has been an absence of much in the way of promoting the benefits of EU membership. The vast majority has been about the horrendous consequences of leaving. Cameron knew trying to sell the EU to the UK electorate would be a disastrous strategy (not that the other one wasn't!
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While I do sympathize with you on the fact that what you personally voted has not been implemented yet, I was always as honest as I could about my positions which in summary are
1) The referendum stole the vote of those who thought Brexit would be with a deal.
2) I want the UK out of the EU for political reasons.
3) If I were a British I wouldn't vote to leave for financial reasons.
4)I strongly beleive that Brexit without a deal will be damaging to the British people, while Brexit with a deal will be damaging too but not to the same degree.
I am a Cypriot who never even lived in the UK for more than a few hours waiting for a transit plane in Heathrow.
I don't read British newspapers and don't really follow the news of what's going on in the UK. Therefore I don't consider myself as any consumer of lies. When there's a reference to something I always try to find the original document rather than beleiving the newspapers.
I did try to find the law proposed by Hilary Ben for example. I did the same with the current document from KPMG as well as other older ones.
I knew from memory that KPMG old report was saying something about 9% drop in GDP in the long run and I honestly thought if it were so then the first year it should have been twice as much. I had to read the documents again after your objection just to realize where exactly I was wrong. In short the GDP drop is a year by year repeated event. 1.5% for 3 years would end up to 4.5%, or to 9% if it got repeated for 6 years.
However as I already told Paphitis is not only the GDP that matters. After all what's the GDP, people will continue to work, continue receiving about the same salaries so the GDP is not expected to change by much.
What matters is the GDP drop+devaluation of currency+higher prices for imports.
All of them together will certainly make the British people poorer after Brexit with no deal.
Of course this is not going to affect the elites. It will affect the pensioners, and the lower classes.
I will continue to support those positions simply because that's what I beleive.
As a Cypriot I wouldn't just feel proud getting out of the control of unelected EU bureaucrats and getting "my Country back"
The local ones are worse. Most of the things that affect our everyday lives locally are not even governed by laws.
It's just Ministers and various unelected officials taking decisions..
What law was there for placing those bomb containers at Mari for example?
Similarly your governing system in the UK looks to me too much of Medieval and backwards.
I can accept Nationalistic feelings for "getting your country back", but we all know that feelings often lack reasoning.
