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[Londonrake]

Did he support the UK leaving the EU or not ? Simple question that is only necessary to ask because of the selective way you quote him. Not one you are likely to answer I suspect.

Another straw! IIRC, although he initially campaigned against Brexit Varoufakis settled for advocating the UK leave but remain in the SM and CU. That, in order to "respect the verdict of the people" Something you're clearly not too good at. Like all of us he is of course entitled to his opinion (is it the "right" one though? ). None of that detracts from his clear and very oft expressed contempt for the EU's deep state, devious motivations and Franco-German dominance. You're flogging a dead horse - as they say. Not that such a thing every stops you.

I'm beginning to understand your objections to public (why do they call them that? ) schools now. IMHO you're letting your obvious psychological scarring from the experience cloud your views. It isn't about money at all (very little actually, in the great scheme of things). It's a grudge thing.

In my case the Daughter actually did fine and is now a well balanced, highly articulate and well read adult/Mum.

If you'd wanted real hardship, you should have tried being a 16/17 year old in the Parachute Regiment.

[Londonrake]

@Erolz66 have you had the opportunity to read Varoufakis book "Adults I the room" it is an account of his dealings with the EU in his capacity as finance minister for the Tsipras government. The title of the book comes as a result of his meetings with the European Bank ministers... Lefarge et Al... He details events which led up to Tsipras accepting the terms of the 'bailout' which as Greek finance minister he did not agree with at all... Instead advising Tsipras to call the EUs bluff and refuse to pay even suggesting that Greece leave the EU. These actions led to his being sacked by his old friend Tsipras. He suggested also that the UK should leave the EU without any deal.

Obviously there is more to this read than my brief synopsis above. But it is a very interesting read from a man who is definitely a financial expert.

The book is available on amazon or if yourself or LR would like a copy I would be more than happy to send you mine to share. I

Thanks RB, for your kind offer. Like when we watch chunks of films or TV shows on YouTube I think if you strung all of the excerpts of Adults in the Room together I've read it probably amounts to most of the book.

You summarise his experiences well and I think his views on the workings of the EU come across loud and clear in his writings.

[erolz66]

Yet he does not advocate member states leave the EU, nor does he advocate the dissolution of the EU either. Nor reform of the EU. He advocates transformation of it. You really should, imo, try and look at all he says rather than just cut snippets , out of context, from his words that suit your agenda and ignore all the rest. Otherwise you might come across as being more interested in using propaganda techniques to support your position rather than seeking better understanding through discussion and dialogue.

The usual clutching at straws obfuscation. What makes you think I'm just cutting snippets? It's a good read. His views on the EU deep establishment are quite clear. IIRC his advice, hard earned from bitter experience, to May was that she shouldn't negotiate with such people. His warnings about their love of duplicitous sequencing. Well, didn't that turn out to be the case!

This is not propaganda, it's history.

You really should try and look at what he says about his experiences in dealing with the EU with an open mind. Without your usual highly prejudiced rose tinted glasses.

More on the EU: “it remains in the nature of the beast to treat the will of electorates as a nuisance that must be, somehow, negated... For all their concerns with rules, treaties, processes, competitiveness, freedom of movement, terrorism etc, only one prospect truly terrifies the EU’s deep establishment: democracy”.

Only you could turn Varoufakis's words into an advocacy of the European project. You truly do live an Orwellian existence. And of course, it will always be impossible to engage in what you perceive as "discussion and dialogue". Which is why I try mostly not to.

Good Post LR.
@Erolz66 have you had the opportunity to read Varoufakis book "Adults I the room" it is an account of his dealings with the EU in his capacity as finance minister for the Tsipras government. The title of the book comes as a result of his meetings with the European Bank ministers... Lefarge et Al... He details events which led up to Tsipras accepting the terms of the 'bailout' which as Greek finance minister he did not agree with at all... Instead advising Tsipras to call the EUs bluff and refuse to pay even suggesting that Greece leave the EU. These actions led to his being sacked by his old friend Tsipras. He suggested also that the UK should leave the EU without any deal.

Obviously there is more to this read than my brief synopsis above. But it is a very interesting read from a man who is definitely a financial expert.

The book is available on amazon or if yourself or LR would like a copy I would be more than happy to send you mine to share. I

Yeah I have it already but thanks for the generous offer. This idea that if you supported the UK remaining in the EU, before the result, or staying closely aligned after the result, you therefore most be some kind of apologist for its failings is shown as the nonsense it is. This is not true of varoufakis and nor is it true of me. When someone takes ONLY his criticism of the EU failings, which are real and well exposed by him but ignores his conclusions because they are not the conclusions wanted, that in my book is more propaganda than searching for better understanding.

[erolz66]

In my case the Daughter actually did fine and is now a well balanced, highly articulate and well read adult/Mum.

what part of 'on statistical average' was ambiguous or unclear ?

[Londonrake]

In my case the Daughter actually did fine and is now a well balanced, highly articulate and well read adult/Mum.

what part of 'on statistical average' was ambiguous or unclear ?

Ohh, come on. You want to stop those bastards doing to others what they did to you. They've got it coming. That's understandable.

[Lordo]

so if i decide to set up a party and promise people to win 10 million from lottery so long as they buy a ticket. if my party wins will the deocratic vote be respected.

all brexshiheads have taken the stupid pill to believe that anything brexshitters claimed, they would actually be able to deliver.

1. we will not contribute anything to the eu
2. we wil have a free trade deal
3. we will not have to follow any of their regulations
4. we will not have to follow any of the rights
5. the world will give us free trade deals very easily even through we only have 60 negotiators
6. pigs will fly

to cal brexshitters stupid is an insult to stupid people.

[erolz66]

In my case the Daughter actually did fine and is now a well balanced, highly articulate and well read adult/Mum.

what part of 'on statistical average' was ambiguous or unclear ?

Ohh, come on. You want to stop those bastards doing to others what they did to you. They've got it coming. That's understandable.

You do like to jump around don't you. Let's just deal with the first point here first. You can not support or refute a claim of something that is claimed to be a 'statistical average' by a single example. So you singular example of your daughters experience is irrelevant in that context. It's like saying the statistical average chance of you having an accident when driving a car increases as you get more and more drunk and then trying to refute that with, but I drove last night drunk and did not have an accident. It just meaningless information.

So on to the second point.

As I have said my view, my opinion, is that on statistical average, public schools are more likely to leave those who pass through them damaged more than state schools and more damaged than is necessary or should be deemed acceptable by society in the year 2019. As I have said this is not simply based on an extrapolation of my own singular personal experience multiplied up. As I have said, I will when I have the time present my 'evidence' that I think supports such a claim. I will do that in the knowledge and expectation that you Londonrake in all probability will not judge that evidence with an open mind, will not even attempt to do so. With the expectation that you almost certainly will however use the presentation of such evidence to try and denigrate me as an individual and person as a result, simply because I am not 'on your side' as yopu appear to see such things in such binary terms. So just have a bit of patience.

[erolz66]

I suspect there were few who did not expect this GE to be fought 'dirty'. Signs of desperation or just clever use of disinformation ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 86531.html

[erolz66]

And in other news today

Who would have thought that any Tory would be able to 'out gaff' Johnson. Seems like Mogg is going for it https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... mmon-sense
and not to be out done Bridgen chips in to have his shot too https://www.theguardian.com/politics/vi ... ests-video

In other news

Looks like the 'deep state' civil service is working against the 'peoples champion' Jonhson again by not letting the Tories use civil service resources to try and rubbish Labour spending plans. Outrageous.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 86381.html

and to round off

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... t-tax-rate

Heven forbid that we should aspire to a society that seeks to close such loopholes. Why can people not just accept the reality that 'you can not tax the rich' and just let them get on with it ?

[Paphitis]

:lol:

its really sad how ignorant people are so wasteful of their lives. here is a man who has done more to eradicate racisms and he is accused of being bein one. t
let this jewish man tell you all about corbyn. you can kiss corbyn and normans ass boy.

Look, I think we have all had enough of the infested racism from Corbynov and Labor.