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[Paphitis]

So is that true of the NHS too ? That we can have a socialised health care system, but only if we accept it has to be less efficient than a private health care system ? I guess with such views no need to worry if the NHS is safe with you What about roads while we are it. Lets privatise those as well I guess, based on your theory of the world.

You said it!

Currently NHS inflation is greater than GDP inflation... Put simply, if we continue as we are eventually every single penny the country earns will be spent on the NHS, every penny!

The NHS is outrageously inefficient... We simply can't continue as we are, bunging an extra £20bn at it every now and again...

The NHS, time for REAL change...

It really is an uncanny thing. The minute the Government kicks in money, health providers start milking the cash cow.

I agree. The Government needs to do something because it's unsustainable. And taxing people 70% isn't the answer because the problem just keeps snowballing and we would end up killing the economy to boot.

We have the same situation in Australia.

[Paphitis]

One thing that is evident to me though is that if Corbynated Chicken becomes PM, then potentially, there will be no NHS because the UK will end up being as bankrupted as Venezuela.

[erolz66]

Another difference between Norway and the UK. Norway does not subsidise elitist private education. Ending this in the UK is also in the Labour manifesto.

The 'public school' (meaning fee paying , private) that I went to has the status of a charity. That it caters overwhelmingly only for the comfortably well off through to the super rich does not matter. It is a 'charity' supposedly and currently in Law. That the 'trust' that still runs it today was originally set up in 1566 by a local man born of humble origins who made his fortune as a merchant tailor with specific aim to 'support the education of poor children' in the Bedford area, yet today does almost the totally opposite of that, does not matter. It is a 'charity' supposedly and currently in Law.

Having such charity status does not just mean that those well off to super rich get to pay for such service without the bother of having to pay VAT on the fees, thus denying the Treasury of millions of pounds annually. Oh no it is more than just that inequity. When I was there the school ran a donations drive to fund the building of a new indoor swimming pool complex for the school, that was not just better than anything a state school could boast of but better than any municipal pool in the entire county of Bedford and probably most other counties in the entire UK. For every pound donated by UK tax paying alumni towards this objective, and they donated 10's of millions to this one project alone, the UK Treasury would give in addition 25 pence of public money as well because of this 'charity' status. Think about that for one minute. That is Treasuary money much of which has been raised from the taxes of 10's of millions of ordinary hard working UK citizens and residents, that could never hope or dream of being able to afford to send their kids to such a school, used to provide facilities like the new pool complex overwhelmingly to children of the well off to super rich, that those who taxes were used to subsidise it do not have access to. It is obscene. Wanting this to change is not the politics of envy. It is the politics of equity.

It IS time for REAL change.

[erolz66]

One thing that is evident to me though is that if Corbynated Chicken becomes PM, then potentially, there will be no NHS because the UK will end up being as bankrupted as Venezuela.

Project fear. We have had Labour governments in the past. Soft labour and hard labour. None of them has ever led to the UK ending up like Venezuela.

[erolz66]

So is that true of the NHS too ? That we can have a socialised health care system, but only if we accept it has to be less efficient than a private health care system ? I guess with such views no need to worry if the NHS is safe with you What about roads while we are it. Lets privatise those as well I guess, based on your theory of the world.

You said it!

Currently NHS inflation is greater than GDP inflation... Put simply, if we continue as we are eventually every single penny the country earns will be spent on the NHS, every penny!

The NHS is outrageously inefficient... We simply can't continue as we are, bunging an extra £20bn at it every now and again...

The NHS, time for REAL change...

Good luck honestly selling that policy around the UK and especially in those vital NE labour heartlands in this next GE. Probably better to not honestly and openly make your arguments that we need to replace the NHS with a privatised health system and then let the people decide if they democratically support such. Probably better to claim you are seeking the opposite of that and too be committed to protecting the NHS and chuck some money at it it just before an election and then when in power just continually undermine the NHS as quietly as you can.

Did you register for GESY yet btw Grump ? Nothing like 'being the change you want to see'

[Lordo]

So is that true of the NHS too ? That we can have a socialised health care system, but only if we accept it has to be less efficient than a private health care system ? I guess with such views no need to worry if the NHS is safe with you What about roads while we are it. Lets privatise those as well I guess, based on your theory of the world.

You said it!

Currently NHS inflation is greater than GDP inflation... Put simply, if we continue as we are eventually every single penny the country earns will be spent on the NHS, every penny!

The NHS is outrageously inefficient... We simply can't continue as we are, bunging an extra £20bn at it every now and again...

The NHS, time for REAL change...

bullshit and double bullshit. this government has increased the nhs budget less than the average spending going back even when you include the extra money they anounced which is over the duration of the next parliament.

curent spending on nhs is 129 billion
current gdp is 2,800 bilion.

and you actually beleive that by increasing the nhs budget by say 3% a year will actually increase so much that it will be more than the gdp

i though you were into some sort of mathematical field, you are more like a fakin taxy driver.

if you increase the budget at 3% per year the nhs budget will double in 20 years. and you reckon that will reach 2,800 billion?

now labour has proposed to set up a nationalised pharmaceutical industry to produce drugs which are patent free.

did you know that paracetamol cost 50p a packet at a local store and the nhs pays £7.20 to supply them in hospitals. that is where the problem is, the drug corporations taking us for a ride.

[miltiades]

According to our resident ....idiot, the EU is a criminal organization. My tolerance level for blatant stupidity is exceedingly low, so much so that interacting in a "civil " manner is an insult to my mature wisdom.
I wonder whether he knows anything about this .
" The maximum weekly state pension is £141 in the UK, £507 in Germany, £304 in France, and £513 in Spain."

[Lordo]

good news today, labour up 6% in the polls. we have not even started yet.
and of course the reversals have begun with the tories

first it was suspend fracking till science tells us otherwise. of course on the 13th of december they will find a scientist who will say what they want to say.
they will remove the freezing of benefits back in 2016 by 2020.

funny how they start thinking clearer at election times.

[Paphitis]

According to our resident ....idiot, the EU is a criminal organization. My tolerance level for blatant stupidity is exceedingly low, so much so that interacting in a "civil " manner is an insult to my mature wisdom.
I wonder whether he knows anything about this .
" Claim: The maximum weekly state pension is £141 in the UK, £507 in Germany, £304 in France, and £513 in Spain."

Why you dishonest dishonest little cretan.

That information was debunked a long time ago as being false.

Read all about these numbers here:

https://fullfact.org/europe/pensioners-eu-uk/

And no, it isn't true that the German, Spanish and French pension is more generous.

Now for the facts:

The EU collects data on social security in 32 countries, including information on pension systems and payments. As of January 2018, it reported that Spain had a minimum means-tested pension, which works out at around £155 a week for a single person, while the maximum possible is around £535 a week.

The minimum French pension is £130 a week and the maximum is around £340 a week.

In Germany, most workers’ pension insurance payments are compulsory but there is no statutory minimum, maximum or full pension.

The full state pension in the UK is now between £125 and £165 a week, depending on when you were born and your national insurance contributions. This doesn’t include any additional state pension, pension credit, or other benefits a pensioner might be eligible for.

[erolz66]

Now for the facts:

The EU collects data on social security in 32 countries, including information on pension systems and payments. As of January 2018, it reported that Spain had a minimum means-tested pension, which works out at around £155 a week for a single person, while the maximum possible is around £535 a week.

The minimum French pension is £130 a week and the maximum is around £340 a week.

In Germany, most workers’ pension insurance payments are compulsory but there is no statutory minimum, maximum or full pension.

The full state pension in the UK is now between £125 and £165 a week, depending on when you were born and your national insurance contributions. This doesn’t include any additional state pension, pension credit, or other benefits a pensioner might be eligible for.

and the facts from your own source that you seem to have forgotten to mention

What do other comparisons show?
Another measure gives pension entitlement as a percentage of pre-retirement average earnings, and takes into account income taxes and social security contributions.

In 2017 the OECD said this figure was 82% for Spain, 75% in France, 51% in Germany and 29% for the UK. These figures have also been made into a viral image.