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Re: what next?

Postby Paphitis » Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:34 am

Kikapu wrote:It is no longer about whether Brexit will happen or not. Most likely, it will happen, and so be it, which will only make matters worse. I blame the whole Brexit affair on the Tories which has left the UK totally divided and maybe even broken up, which was expected when a “once in a generation” referendum has been left to simple majority vote. Such a vote can only divide the nation when a small voting majority can have a huge affect on the vast remaining majority, and I do not mean the remainders, but the remaining great majority of the British citizens.

Let’s forget about the lies leading up to the referendum and even ever since, such referendum with such importance should never have been left to be decided by a simple majority vote. It should have been no less than 60% majority to 2/3 majority to leave the EU in order to avoid such divisions by the people. If the Brexiteers think that should Brexit happen, that the British people will go about their business as if nothing has happened, in which, there well might be a “revolution/civil war” between the citizens. The damage will last for a very long time because of poor planing by the Tories on Brexit. The Tories now own Brexit, The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.


It’s not the Tories that divided the populace Kikapu.

The Tories have just decided to respect the decision of the people. And it divided their very party as so many Tories are actually remainers. They just decided that they got to put this to one side and respect the democratic decision of the people.

Those who have divided the people are those who refuse to accept the mandate. A democratic vote is a sacred institution and vital in a functioning democracy. To obfuscate and conspire against this institution undermines the very core of democracy. People who oppose Brexit must do the right thing and respect the wishes of the 52% and cop it on the chin. This is fundamental to democracy.

Instead some have decided to conspire against the negotiations and hence undermine the agreement in a desperate effort to thwart Brexit.

A referendum is the only way to get a consensus on such issues. Just like when many years ago Australia had a referendum on whether to become a Republic or remain a Constitutional Monarchy. I was a Republican. My side lost fair and square and we copped it on the chin. What is occurring in the UK now would be akin to my side (Republican side) winning and the monarchists conspiring with the Head of State (Crown) to undermine this vote and using every trick in the book to destroy the Republican movement.

The longer this Brexit situation continues the worse it will be for Britain. Brexit must occur quickly. In fact it should have happened a long time ago. Then move on. It will become apparent to all that Britain has dodged a bullet especially when the remaining EU states realise they are now colonies or Vassal Dependencies.

Cyprus for instance is relegated to the same status as Queensland, California or New South Wales. It’s not a country like the USA or Australia are. This is where Cyprus and all EU states are headed.

This might be ok for Cyprus but it’s not for the UK.
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Re: what next?

Postby Paphitis » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:15 am

The only reason why countries like Germany and France are in it is because they sold out to the corporates a long time ago.

The EU doesn’t care about its citizens people. It cares about the Banks and the big huge corporates.

Germany and France have actively decided that the big corporates are of higher value than the Nation and the people.

In time, the people will learn but they will learn the hard way.

Nation before Corporates people. The Nation belongs to everyone but a corporate belongs to shareholders. People died for the Nation. They are built on rivers of blood and suffering.

Do not fall for the nonsense from the elites.

Nation before money. Nation above all. The UK is doing the right thing.
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Re: what next?

Postby Paphitis » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:41 am

People need to get their priorities right too.

Answer the following questions people.

What is of more value? A corporate building luxury cars or your Nation?

Your Community or the EU?

It seems to me that people have lost touch with what is important. Not being condescending because it isn’t anyone’s fault really as the MSM is in my opinion a corrupted source of information heavily weighted towards the big end of town.

Time to reconnect with your values people.

The EU will give you no sense of community and it will eventually eradicate it and destroy your culture because we are all just production units. We are just consumers.

The EU is far too big to care about your community or the individual or individual members. We saw how much they cared during the crisis.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m a capitalist as the competitive nature of capitalism is raising living standards and employing millions of people and taking people from below the poverty line to above the poverty line. I benefit from it like a lot of people.

But it isn’t more important than your country or your community or your neighbor or local school etc etc.
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Re: what next?

Postby miltiades » Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:51 am

Post after post full of exaggerated feelings of self importance, indicative of an excessive need to express an opinion without first putting it to logic.
In short, General, you are full of shit !!
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Re: what next?

Postby Paphitis » Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:58 am

miltiades wrote:Post after post full of exaggerated feelings of self importance, indicative of an excessive need to express an opinion without first putting it to logic.
In short, General, you are full of shit !!


I never thought of you as intelligent enough to see through the charade Miltiades so you keep living in the darkness of delusion.

You are just a little brainwashed sheep with no common sense, no aspiration, and no pride in self or Nation.

I was always willing to lay my life down for the Nation, and always eager to serve my compatriots, so I will be damned if I ever raise the white flag to an abomination that is the EU at the expense of my country. I have always said that I would support any EU State that wishes to break the shackles and become free - I will never accept the EU or support it.

I would rather die in a ditch! And I mean that!

FLODA and Schauzer was right about you. You are a little shit stain.

Btw, get it right. I was not a grunt so it should be Air Marshall to you! :evil:
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Re: what next?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:45 am

Paphitis wrote:Those who have divided the people are those who refuse to accept the mandate. A democratic vote is a sacred institution and vital in a functioning democracy. To obfuscate and conspire against this institution undermines the very core of democracy. [] This is fundamental to democracy.


The people voted in 2017. Where is the respect for this mandate , this vote of the people ? What I see is a minority government, headed by someone voted in by 0.1 % of the population (including 16-17 year old Tory members by the way) seeking but failing to undermine and bypass that democratic vote of the people because they did not like the result.

Paphitis wrote:Do not fall for the nonsense from the elites. Nation before money. Nation above all.


The real elites know that Brexit is all smoke and mirrors, a distraction for the 'little people' to get all worked up about, whilst they continue to increase their power and wealth free from the scrutiny and wrath of the people. They know what the priority is between 'nation or money'. They are blatant and unashamed.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/n ... alth-taxes

Super-rich prepare to leave UK 'within minutes' if Labour wins election.Wealthy see potential taxes imposed by Jeremy Corbyn as bigger threat than Brexit. Lawyers and accountants for the UK’s richest families said they had been deluged with calls from millionaire and billionaire clients asking for help and advice on moving countries, shifting their fortunes offshore and making early gifts to their children to avoid the Labour leader’s threat to tax all inheritances above £125,000.The advisers said a Corbyn-led government was viewed as a far greater threat to the wealth and quality of life of the richest 1% than a hard Brexit. Geoffrey Todd, a partner at the law firm Boodle Hatfield, said many of his clients had already put plans in place to transfer their wealth out of the country within minutes if Corbyn is elected.


These people are the real elite. They know which to put first 'nation or money'. They are the one who have contempt for democracy, if they do not like the democratic elected government in the UK they just move themselves and their wealth elsewhere.

It is time for REAL change.
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Re: what next?

Postby Paphitis » Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:50 am

Looks like Boris is goinmg his own way folks which is pretty good to see that the man is standing by his guns.

he really has handled everything very well since he became PM and this is now his time to shine.

I can only hope that when he wins he turns back to the EU and demands more alterations or else they will be leaving with a NO DEAL.

Boris can do no wrong now.

Looks like Boris is going without Nigel.





Now watch the below video folks to see the level of EU collusion with the Liberal Undemocrats and all the EU pay offs to various remain MPs.

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Re: what next?

Postby miltiades » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:22 am

General, as I have said before, and will reiterate, you are still wet behind the ears, you lack confidence with a grossly inflated ego as evidenced by your many audacious and rather stupid comments.
You are neither British nor European yet you are fooling your self with the absurd notion that you are an expert on the EU and indeed Britain, a nation that you stated as knowing better than a man who grew up in the country.
Let me once again plainly say, you are full of shit !
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Re: what next?

Postby erolz66 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:24 am

Paphitis wrote:Boris can do no wrong now.


You may as well add Trump can do not wrong as well. who is really the "little brainwashed sheep" here Paphitis ?

It is time for REAL change.
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Re: what next?

Postby Paphitis » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:33 am

miltiades wrote:General, as I have said before, and will reiterate, you are still wet behind the ears, you lack confidence with a grossly inflated ego as evidenced by your many audacious and rather stupid comments.
You are neither British nor European yet you are fooling your self with the absurd notion that you are an expert on the EU and indeed Britain, a nation that you stated as knowing better than a man who grew up in the country.
Let me once again plainly say, you are full of shit !


I told you before I was no grunt. Therefore, please address me as Air Marshal or Sir! :lol:

I also told you Miltiades I never considered you intelligent enough to know any better. You have a bit of a complex too.

As for me, my country and community is EVERYTHING. I want a small government and total freedom. I want democracy and accountable representatives.

I believe in my Nation’s institutions, not in the EU and I will never change. I have been willing to die for what I believe in and for my mates. I have always been willing to sacrifice myself for my country and the greater good. I will never do that for an EU toilet paper flag.

And those who support the Trumps and BOJOS of this world are not the little brainwashed puppies like you who swallow all the nonsense and fake news of the elitist MSM.
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