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[Lordo]

you've got to give it jc, he is giving them the shits. they have not even written their manifesto and already cancelled one of their main policies which allowed fracking.

look forward to their release of the manifesto.

you cannot make it up. they are claining they will spend 20.5 billion by the year 2023/24 and claim this is huge amount of money being spent on the nhs. well first of all they have not spent it and they can promise it knowing that they will not have to deliver it. but when you look at the core issue with the nhs, only a few years they forced nhs to cut 22 billion from their budget. so even by 2024 they will not be at a standstil.

and the asshoes claim nhs is safe with them, yeah of course she is as safe as a lamb is amangst a pack of wolves.

[Londonrake]

Well, certainly you and Kikapu could start by reading up on a bit of history.

Your problem is..............no, let me rephrase that. One of your problems is your habit of allowing hubristic prejudice and wishful thinking to overcome your capacity for sensible, rational analysis.

Somehow, I can’t see Boris strutting his stuff in front of serried ranks of stormtroopers. He’s more the Mr Bean type. Indeed, as Milti often points out, he can be a bit of a clown.

Don’t let me spoil your fun though.

Just give me a mo. To get some more popcorn.

[erolz66]

However, one has to be pragmatic about these things and given the remain biased parliament was doing everything they could to thwart Brexit completely then the Boris 'deal' would at least be a step in the direction of Brexit. Sadly, parliament couldn't even bring itself to vote for that.

Well Parliament did vote for that actually by a majority of 30 and it was Johnson who pulled the bill after parliament had voted for in on the first reading. They did not vote to allow it to be pushed through in 3 days with no amendments, which is somewhat different imo. Anyway.

The real battle for the next election imo

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/n ... alth-taxes

[Kikapu]

Well, certainly you and Kikapu could start by reading up on a bit of history.

Your problem is..............no, let me rephrase that. One of your problems is your habit of allowing hubristic prejudice and wishful thinking to overcome your capacity for sensible, rational analysis.

Somehow, I can’t see Boris strutting his stuff in front of serried ranks of stormtroopers. He’s more the Mr Bean type. Indeed, as Milti often points out, he can be a bit of a clown.

Don’t let me spoil your fun though.

Just give me a mo. To get some more popcorn.

So you do not see any correlation between Boris wanting to hire 20,000 more police officers (“his” police officers no doubt) and threatening riots if Brexit did not happen, while at the same time acting illegally based on Supreme Court ruling in England?

[Londonrake]

I suspect the principle amendment would have taken the form of a 2nd referendum.

It does seem that UK governance has been carried out by - usually frantically rushed - amendments for some time now. Well, when Gina Miller and the judiciary are not overseeing it that is. Had Bercow been in the seat on the night I've little doubt we would have witnessed the election being trashed on the altar of amendments allowing 3 million EU people resident in the UK and 16 year olds a vote. I mean, what does a 16 year old know? If they're allowed a vote are they to receive the same sentences as adults for criminal prosecutions? Are they to have to fight for their country in the event of war? If not, why not? Thankfully, the Deputy Speaker, unlike Bercow, didn't have her own reality show on the go and unprejudiced common sense prevailed. A refreshing change.

Most of Johnson's deal is straight cut 'n' paste May. Parliament's been debating little more than Brexit for 42 months and had ages to review her deal. When they got their time for debate on it they ran out of speakers on the first day! The Benn act was passed in a matter of a few days. It seems that judicial and parliamentary expedience is not a problem - when it's in support of a Remainer matter. Passing the WA though is a very different affair. Savvy Remainers would have done so, then stood a good chance of sinking Brexit in the second phase. However, they're dogmatically wed to the idea of resisting anything at all that translates as the UK leaving the EU.

[Londonrake]

So you do not see any correlation between Boris wanting to hire 20,000 more police officers (“his” police officers no doubt) and threatening riots if Brexit did not happen, while at the same time acting illegally based on Supreme Court ruling in England?

You lot have been whinging about how May cut the police by 20,000 for a decade. The opposition have made great capital out of it. Khan has (falsely) blamed the appalling rise in London crime during his watch on it. Now, when Johnson commits to reversing that trend you start running around blathering nonsense about his recruiting the SS. Get real (no offence to the man ). As my good friend Milti might say "What a plonker!"

I've no idea why Johnson has supposedly acted illegally. I can tell you though that the "Supreme court" is a Blair construct. IMHO, it should keep it's nose out of matters of high State , Parliament and the Crown. Otherwise - forget bleedin' Brexit - we're on a slippery slope to something like the US system, which sucks. Only with the added disadvantage of not having scrutiny of their views/situations or a vote on their lord/ladyship's appointments.

[Paphitis]

Slowly but surely, UK will need to have a revolution one of these days, close to a civil war, to stop the fascist right tories from turning the country into a fascist state with the likes of Boris and Nigel and many of the Tory cabinet members.

A bit late mate!

The UK already had a revolution against the elites. It started in 2016.

It will end when they are out of the EU.

You should join mate! You are a revolutionary at heart and I can't believe you of all people support the elites against the people.

There are millions of people going from paycheck to paycheck Kikapu and the EU doesn't care. In fact they put millions more below the poverty line in Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland and in many more members.

You posted yesterday that the EU was a champion of worker rights. That does not appear to be the case Kikapu. they are a champion of SLAVE LABOR, to drive germany's industry. The charade is over Kikapu.

[Paphitis]

:lol:

Dear, oh dear. What a bunch of total wankers. Living out their ridiculous fantasies.

I’m not complaining. You’d normally have to pay good money to experience this sort of stuff.

How else do revolutions and civil wars start?

We are all very lucky that so far Brexiteers have been quite civil despite all that has been done to them to stifle their voice.

Let's hope that this continues indefinitely. No one wants to see a Civil War and bloodshed.

But if this sad state of affairs continue, where 17.4 million people are sidelined after the biggest democratic vote in British History, then anything is possible.

The remainer side has tried to pull every underhanded trick to try and thwart BREXIT. Even with a deal, they are still trying to thwart BREXIT. Their behavior has conspired to undermine Britain at every turn during the negotiations which is why I don't support the Boris deal 100% Any deal as far as I am concerned is a soiled deal because UK never was able to negotiate properly with all its leverage which is why I am with Farage and a clean break.

Kiakpu, BREXIT was always going to happen. Article 50 is a one way street to BREXIT and it is law. BREXIT can't be avoided unless Article 50 is withdrawn. The last parliament had the numbers to do that. they wanted to but were scared.

It would have been better for Brexiteers that they did that because that would have pulverized the Electorate even more into the Brexiteer side.

The Brexiteers, Boris, have been made the good side being victimized by the elites. They have been championed by the people because of the House of Commons arrogantly and flippantly ignoring the wishes of the electorate.

You all helped create this by holding your EU fantasies and not accepting the verdict of the 2016 referendum. BREXIT is much stronger as a result of it and it can only get more and more stronger.

Remoaners even discussed allowing millions of EU citizens the right to vote. These are people that have no right to vote in British Elections. Also reducing the age of voters to 16 in order to try and rig and skew any future vote. What do you think this would have done to democracy and participation rates? I for one would have never participated or voted again, and I am what you would call, a political animal that loves politics. I'm not apathetic to politics so imagine what would happen to millions of others who hate politics...British democracy would be DEAD!

[Paphitis]

Well, certainly you and Kikapu could start by reading up on a bit of history.

Your problem is..............no, let me rephrase that. One of your problems is your habit of allowing hubristic prejudice and wishful thinking to overcome your capacity for sensible, rational analysis.

Somehow, I can’t see Boris strutting his stuff in front of serried ranks of stormtroopers. He’s more the Mr Bean type. Indeed, as Milti often points out, he can be a bit of a clown.

Don’t let me spoil your fun though.

Just give me a mo. To get some more popcorn.

Boris has a sense of humour and can easily have a laugh at himself.

For me, that is a major strength of his and a good quality that makes him pallatable to the common man on the street.

he is the kind of guy you can easily walk up to and have a beer with. Nigel Farage is similar and very down to earth or at least comes across this way.

Now imagine trying to have a beer with any of the Chardonay Socialists like Corbynated Chicken.

People will always apply the pub test and ask themselves who they would rather have a beer with. this is what it comes down to.

Do you prefer to have a beer with that insufferable Swineston?
Do you prefer to have a beer with the Chardonay Socialist Corbynated Chicken?
Do you prefer to have a beer with Nigel Farage?
Or do you prefer to have a beer with Boris?

For me, Boris comes out trumps here. Farage comes second.

As for Swineston and Corbynated Chicken, .... well I will give both a big miss thank you.

[Kikapu]

It is no longer about whether Brexit will happen or not. Most likely, it will happen, and so be it, which will only make matters worse. I blame the whole Brexit affair on the Tories which has left the UK totally divided and maybe even broken up, which was expected when a “once in a generation” referendum has been left to simple majority vote. Such a vote can only divide the nation when a small voting majority can have a huge affect on the vast remaining majority, and I do not mean the remainders, but the remaining great majority of the British citizens.

Let’s forget about the lies leading up to the referendum and even ever since, such referendum with such importance should never have been left to be decided by a simple majority vote. It should have been no less than 60% majority to 2/3 majority to leave the EU in order to avoid such divisions by the people. If the Brexiteers think that should Brexit happen, that the British people will go about their business as if nothing has happened, in which, there well might be a “revolution/civil war” between the citizens. The damage will last for a very long time because of poor planing by the Tories on Brexit. The Tories now own Brexit, The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.