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Re: what next?

Postby Kikapu » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:43 am

Londonrake wrote:
Kikapu wrote:You are mixing the meanings of "law and justice".
Two different things.


It’s more a case of your cherry picking and moving the goal posts. :D :wink:

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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:34 pm

i find it quite unbelievable that we can buy almost anything and we get given a cooling off period to change our minds. but with brexit that’s not allowed. I have a feeling those who advocated brexit are so blinded by the notion that they either have forgotten what democracy is or they never had any idea in the first place. to them democracy is just put an x in a box, never mind what is true and what is false.

the fact that this government when they were preparing the referendum considered to have two votes and hold a second one after a plan is finalised and then decided not to do it needs explanation. what was the reason for dropping it? was it to make it more democratic?

this is beyond belief. and of course it leads to even more incredible actions by the tory party. they have no selected as pm a serial liar who lies constantly. he lied in front of media claiming there were no media there in a hospital. he lied saying he will lie down in front of the bulldozer rather than allow expansion and heathrow.

another thing is their claim that he deliverd a deal. like hell he did. he caved in, that’s not a deal. eu offered a deal with the backstop for northern ireland. backstop was an insurance policy in case we don't come to a free trading agreement. may could not agree with that because of her friend the dup. so she asked for it to be expanded. that was great as we were never going to be able get a free trade deal we were going to be left in so that was a result for the remainers. although it would leave us at a disadvantage as it would mean we would have no influence on the new rules but at least we will not suffer financially. and of course we can get back in as we were any time we chose. so the notion now in the media is that he went back to the original eu suggestion was to have a backstop with just northern ireland. this is nothing of the kind, he did not offer alternative arrangement, he just wanted the words backstop removed from the wa. what did he do, he actually implemented the backstop from day one. if this is not a cave in I don't know what is. so he managed to get erg on board because he has promised them that there is no way tis deal will go though, either on the 31st of october or end of 2020 at worst we will have no deal and in their stupidity they believed him. dup does not because they can smell a rat.

mps did great yesterday approving the deal so b'stard can no longer claim that mps do not want brexit. however they were not going allow asshole drive the legislation through without scrutiny. sure as hell there will be a customs union attached to it and so will a second vote. the eu would not object to that and everybody would be happy accept the dup. they want out because they want to end the gfa. either way there is going to be a lot of upset brexiters and they can go to hell as far as i am concerned, have a another vote, put no deal on the ballot paper and if you win we can leave, none of this default rubbish. no law is passed on a default bases, unless it is specified and even then there are exceptions stipulated too.

so we no come to the final promise b'stard has made. when benn act was passed he did not need an extension and went on the attack accusing corbyn of not wanting an election and being fright is what he called him. he also called him a chlorinated chicken. and yet today he says if the eu gives an extension he will call for an election. he can call for the pigs for al li care, he is a caged asshole not in control of the government, the opposition can hold him there, take this deal forward, scrutinise it amend it to their hearts content and hold a referendum at the end too while he is pm. this will be the ultimate humiliations because in trying to force a brexit on the 31st, he will facilitate a remain in the end.

now that is justice preserved and served when you remove the pre and did remove the pre when he prorogued parliament.
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:11 pm

Lordo wrote:i find it quite unbelievable that we can buy almost anything and we get given a cooling off period to change our minds. but with brexit that’s not allowed. I have a feeling those who advocated brexit are so blinded by the notion that they either have forgotten what democracy is or they never had any idea in the first place. to them democracy is just put an x in a box, never mind what is true and what is false.

the fact that this government when they were preparing the referendum considered to have two votes and hold a second one after a plan is finalised and then decided not to do it needs explanation. what was the reason for dropping it? was it to make it more democratic?

this is beyond belief. and of course it leads to even more incredible actions by the tory party. they have no selected as pm a serial liar who lies constantly. he lied in front of media claiming there were no media there in a hospital. he lied saying he will lie down in front of the bulldozer rather than allow expansion and heathrow.

another thing is their claim that he deliverd a deal. like hell he did. he caved in, that’s not a deal. eu offered a deal with the backstop for northern ireland. backstop was an insurance policy in case we don't come to a free trading agreement. may could not agree with that because of her friend the dup. so she asked for it to be expanded. that was great as we were never going to be able get a free trade deal we were going to be left in so that was a result for the remainers. although it would leave us at a disadvantage as it would mean we would have no influence on the new rules but at least we will not suffer financially. and of course we can get back in as we were any time we chose. so the notion now in the media is that he went back to the original eu suggestion was to have a backstop with just northern ireland. this is nothing of the kind, he did not offer alternative arrangement, he just wanted the words backstop removed from the wa. what did he do, he actually implemented the backstop from day one. if this is not a cave in I don't know what is. so he managed to get erg on board because he has promised them that there is no way tis deal will go though, either on the 31st of october or end of 2020 at worst we will have no deal and in their stupidity they believed him. dup does not because they can smell a rat.

mps did great yesterday approving the deal so b'stard can no longer claim that mps do not want brexit. however they were not going allow asshole drive the legislation through without scrutiny. sure as hell there will be a customs union attached to it and so will a second vote. the eu would not object to that and everybody would be happy accept the dup. they want out because they want to end the gfa. either way there is going to be a lot of upset brexiters and they can go to hell as far as i am concerned, have a another vote, put no deal on the ballot paper and if you win we can leave, none of this default rubbish. no law is passed on a default bases, unless it is specified and even then there are exceptions stipulated too.

so we no come to the final promise b'stard has made. when benn act was passed he did not need an extension and went on the attack accusing corbyn of not wanting an election and being fright is what he called him. he also called him a chlorinated chicken. and yet today he says if the eu gives an extension he will call for an election. he can call for the pigs for al li care, he is a caged asshole not in control of the government, the opposition can hold him there, take this deal forward, scrutinise it amend it to their hearts content and hold a referendum at the end too while he is pm. this will be the ultimate humiliations because in trying to force a brexit on the 31st, he will facilitate a remain in the end.

now that is justice preserved and served when you remove the pre and did remove the pre when he prorogued parliament.



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Re: what next?

Postby miltiades » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:50 pm

My heartfelt condolences to all Brexeteers who must feel devastated that the UK will not be leaving the EU on October 31st.
Apparently an unidentified ...Clown was found earlier in a ditch !!
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:09 pm

miltiades wrote:My heartfelt condolences to all Brexeteers who must feel devastated that the UK will not be leaving the EU on October 31st.
Apparently an unidentified ...Clown was found earlier in a ditch !!



Dream on CoCo... :lol:

Even if we don't leave on October 31st, we are still leaving at some point... How does that make you feel...? :wink:
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Re: what next?

Postby Kikapu » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:13 pm

miltiades wrote:My heartfelt condolences to all Brexeteers who must feel devastated that the UK will not be leaving the EU on October 31st.
Apparently an unidentified ...Clown was found earlier in a ditch !!

Was it dead or was it still being a cunt? :D
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Re: what next?

Postby miltiades » Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:15 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
miltiades wrote:My heartfelt condolences to all Brexeteers who must feel devastated that the UK will not be leaving the EU on October 31st.
Apparently an unidentified ...Clown was found earlier in a ditch !!



Dream on CoCo... :lol:

Even if we don't leave on October 31st, we are still leaving at some point... How does that make you feel...? :wink:

I feel sorry for you brain dead little Englanders, you dont know your arse from your prick. !! Of the 17.4 who voted leave , 17.3 million have a combined IQ of .....10.
What a load of Plonkers. Try not to spend too long sitting on your brains .
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:06 pm

miltiades wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
miltiades wrote:My heartfelt condolences to all Brexeteers who must feel devastated that the UK will not be leaving the EU on October 31st.
Apparently an unidentified ...Clown was found earlier in a ditch !!



Dream on CoCo... :lol:

Even if we don't leave on October 31st, we are still leaving at some point... How does that make you feel...? :wink:

I feel sorry for you brain dead little Englanders, you dont know your arse from your prick. !! Of the 17.4 who voted leave , 17.3 million have a combined IQ of .....10.
What a load of Plonkers. Try not to spend too long sitting on your brains .



Keep spouting the same old pathetic insults CoCo... :lol:

...after all, it has worked so well to convert Brexiteers over the last 3 years... :wink:
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Re: what next?

Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:13 pm

Come on Steptoe, let us have the 'Peoples Vote' you have been calling for! :lol:
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Re: what next?

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:14 pm

why have a general election when you can dictate to parliament. b'stard has riled up al the no dealers and everybody else including soft brexiters and remainers. so things are just fine. we have a deal we can improve to include a customs union, fta and a confirmatory vote. we need to solve the brexit issue. the poor brexiters are too intoxicated from brexit poison to think straight noo good asking them any questions now. once we are out and people can see the woods from the trees we can have an election in about 12 months it is very undemocratic tohave a second vote.

in reality if b'satard asked for a an election in july, it woudl have been fine but now, when we have the batton to bry this beast called brexit one way or antother why have an election now. we have b'stard in a cage locked up. for now that's the best place for him.
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