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[Lordo]

in case you are wondering why our debt is going up rather than down, this explains it pretty well.

Typical socialist unable to understand the difference between sales and profit...

Facebook’s UK operations paid £28m in corporation tax last year despite achieving a record £1.6bn in British sales.

The social media company’s latest UK accounts show that gross income from advertisers rose almost 30% last year to £1.65bn, and pretax profits surged by more than 50% from £63m to £97m.

So they paid £28m on £97m profit...

And tell us oh business expert, which of those companies you list are actually doing anything illegal...?

To quote another forum member, what a plonker...

it's because they siphon off the profits elsewhere. it is not that hard to work it out and hmrc should have this formula. if a company declares less than 3% of the turnover as tax, they are cheating the tax man.

Now we know that from starbacks. they declare no profit at all and in fact they have thousands of shops. now is starbucks really non-profit making organisation being run for theur staff and supliers or do they have something to hide, hang on a moment when the investigation was anounced about them suddenly they decided to pay 20 million in tax. what nice people they are, you asshole. what do you know about profit and loss and how to make profit and hide it.


I hate to bring the cangoroos in to the matter but look what happened to poor shell down under. i mean to be fined 755 million. i wonder how much they avoided and how. never mind they probaply are a good christian firm. i wander what happened to the accountancy firm who facilitiaed it.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/25/ato-slugs-shell-with-755m-bill-in-fight-against-multinational-tax-avoidance

here is another one, it must be the fact that they walk upside down and all that blood goes into their little brain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-49017512

what we need is a 100 year punishment for any firm exectutive who helps people evade tax. that will stop it

[cyprusgrump]

in case you are wondering why our debt is going up rather than down, this explains it pretty well.

Typical socialist unable to understand the difference between sales and profit...

Facebook’s UK operations paid £28m in corporation tax last year despite achieving a record £1.6bn in British sales.

The social media company’s latest UK accounts show that gross income from advertisers rose almost 30% last year to £1.65bn, and pretax profits surged by more than 50% from £63m to £97m.

So they paid £28m on £97m profit...

And tell us oh business expert, which of those companies you list are actually doing anything illegal...?

To quote another forum member, what a plonker...

it's because they siphon off the profits elsewhere. it is not that hard to work it out and hmrc should have this formula. if a company declares less than 3% of the turnover as tax, they are cheating the tax man.

Now we know that from starbacks. they declare no profit at all and in fact they have thousands of shops. now is starbucks really non-profit making organisation being run for theur staff and supliers or do they have something to hide, hang on a moment when the investigation was anounced about them suddenly they decided to pay 20 million in tax. what nice people they are, you asshole. what do you know about profit and loss and how to make profit and hide it.


I hate to bring the cangoroos in to the matter but look what happened to poor shell down under. i mean to be fined 755 million. i wonder how much they avoided and how. never mind they probaply are a good christian firm. i wander what happened to the accountancy firm who facilitiaed it.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/25/ato-slugs-shell-with-755m-bill-in-fight-against-multinational-tax-avoidance

here is another one, it must be the fact that they walk upside down and all that blood goes into their little brain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-49017512

what we need is a 100 year punishment for any firm exectutive who helps people evade tax. that will stop it

So, did any of the companies you originally listed do anything illegal...?

Or did they just abide by the law and pay the taxes due i the countries in which they operated...?

Doesn't Starbucks (from memory) buy coffee from their operation in Belgium and pay tax on the profits there...?

Plus all the VAT, employers NI, employees NI, employees income tax, business rates, electricity bills, etc. that they pay in the UK.

Your socialist politics of envy disgust me... They shouldn't pay the tax which the law says is due, they should pay the tax that you think they should pay...

Think about it, one day the government might come after you, "Yes, I know you paid the legally owed amount of income tax but we think you should pay more", how would you think about that...?

Of course, you are the lunatic that thinks companies should pay tax on turnover and not on profit!

What a plonker!

PS I started and ran a very successful business in the UK so I know a little about profit and loss...

[Pyrpolizer]

Local media say it's identical to Theresa May's deal, only the name of the backstop changed.

That is all they were opposed to.

The whole reason the last deal was rejected was because of the backstop. The British considered the backstop to be dangerous because it had potential to destroy the Union of NI to the United Kingdom.

They Brits DO NOT CARE about anything else of the 39 Billion Dollar severance payment. It is really nothing at all.

They don't care if they don't have FREE TRADE either, which means if the deal is voted down by anyone, they are still leaving.

Anyway, Im not really interested in getting bogged down into a relentless merry go round forum. Hence my final post. It seems to be getting too vicious or personal. I don't mind banter myself but when people get too hysterical and personal then it's a bit OTT. Plus I don't have any time for this literally speaking.

Also there seems to be little consideration for facts, particularly when it comes to things like BREXIT and in addition to that there also seems to be a lot of people who wish disaster and despair against millions of people so they can have a "told you so moment'. That is a pretty sad thing.

Anyway folks, I wish you all the best and good luck to all.

After such a long time I would expect every serious debater to at least know what the backstop in Theresa May's deal was all about.There would be NO BORDER checks in NI with that deal, and never be any if within the transition period there was enough convergence between the EU and the UK.
What the UK feared was those extensions might never end.
With the new deal there will be border checks in NI right from the start. The UK may never be able to get a free trade deal with the EU unless she complies to a level playing field. Moreover whereas with the previous deal the UK would be in the customs union with this new deal it won't be.
So is this deal better than the previous one or worse?

[Pyrpolizer]

We are nearly there. I can smell freedom from the oppressive EU. Cyprus you got your independence from the oppressive British rule but then gave it all away when you joined EU. Big mistake. We will be leaving this undemocratic organisation soon and will never look back. We love our European neighbours but it is not necessary to go to bed with each other.

As long as the UK is out of where we are, it's a merry time for us in Cyprus.

Apart from the £13Bn a year missing from the EU budget of course...

Who cares? We will only pay a tiny fraction ourselves.

[cyprusgrump]

We are nearly there. I can smell freedom from the oppressive EU. Cyprus you got your independence from the oppressive British rule but then gave it all away when you joined EU. Big mistake. We will be leaving this undemocratic organisation soon and will never look back. We love our European neighbours but it is not necessary to go to bed with each other.

As long as the UK is out of where we are, it's a merry time for us in Cyprus.

Apart from the £13Bn a year missing from the EU budget of course...

Who cares? We will only pay a tiny fraction ourselves.

Erm, well lets hope we don't have to pay a lot more to make up the shortfall eh...?

[Lordo]

what else has been going on today has oliver let-one off again?

oh has everybody seen this little effort done just a few months ago. very revealing indeed.



Conservative party members would be prepared to sacrifice the union, destroy their party or suffer economic damage to get the UK out of the European Union, a poll has suggested.

The YouGov survey of party members – who will decide the next prime minister – suggests that almost half (46 per cent) would be happy to see the Brexit Party’s Nigel Farage as their new leader.

Despite the strong support for Brexit, even if it had major repercussions, Conservative and Unionist Party members indicated they would be prepared to call it off rather than see Jeremy Corbyn enter Number 10.

The survey found that 63 per cent of members would be prepared to see Brexit take place even if it meant Scotland leaving the UK.

Some 61 per cent would rather Brexit took place even if it caused “significant damage” to the economy, 59 per cent would prioritise leaving the EU even if it meant Northern Ireland breaking away from the rest of the UK, and 54 per cent would accept the Tory party “being destroyed” in order to secure Brexit.

[cyprusgrump]

what else has been going on today has oliver let-one off again?

oh has everybody seen this little effort done just a few months ago. very revealing indeed.



Conservative party members would be prepared to sacrifice the union, destroy their party or suffer economic damage to get the UK out of the European Union, a poll has suggested.

The YouGov survey of party members – who will decide the next prime minister – suggests that almost half (46 per cent) would be happy to see the Brexit Party’s Nigel Farage as their new leader.

Despite the strong support for Brexit, even if it had major repercussions, Conservative and Unionist Party members indicated they would be prepared to call it off rather than see Jeremy Corbyn enter Number 10.

The survey found that 63 per cent of members would be prepared to see Brexit take place even if it meant Scotland leaving the UK.

Some 61 per cent would rather Brexit took place even if it caused “significant damage” to the economy, 59 per cent would prioritise leaving the EU even if it meant Northern Ireland breaking away from the rest of the UK, and 54 per cent would accept the Tory party “being destroyed” in order to secure Brexit.

A week is a long time in politics!

Important snap poll from YouGov. Top lines:

Excluding ‘don’t knows’, the public want the deal passing by 63% to 37%
A quarter of remain voters, Labour voters and Lib Dems want the deal passing – less than half of each group oppose passing the deal
Only 10% of Leavers and Tories oppose passing the new deal
With an election looming, this should be a huge wake-up call to MPs…

What a plonker!

[Londonrake]

FWIW, after reading all this stuff for quite a long time, it strikes me that a couple of our “Democrats” probably suffer from personality disorders which impact upon their daily lives. It’s not unusual to find this on forums, which act as a form of compensating mechanism, giving them an element of relief from trials suffered in the real world. Fascinating stuff actually.

Again just classic ad homiem attacks is all I see. You theory would seem to be, you are normal, anyone who disagrees with you is suffering from personality disorder but those who actually display the most symptoms of personality disorder (and have little to no connection to the UK to boot) but happen to agree with you are never worthy of any mention.

Nahh. I'm boringly normal actually. Well, just ask Mrs LR. Moreover, I've no problem with people disagreeing with me. Really.

But come on, as far as you're concerned .................................................. I'm right. Yes?

[Lordo]

in case you are wondering why our debt is going up rather than down, this explains it pretty well.

Typical socialist unable to understand the difference between sales and profit...

Facebook’s UK operations paid £28m in corporation tax last year despite achieving a record £1.6bn in British sales.

The social media company’s latest UK accounts show that gross income from advertisers rose almost 30% last year to £1.65bn, and pretax profits surged by more than 50% from £63m to £97m.

So they paid £28m on £97m profit...

And tell us oh business expert, which of those companies you list are actually doing anything illegal...?

To quote another forum member, what a plonker...

it's because they siphon off the profits elsewhere. it is not that hard to work it out and hmrc should have this formula. if a company declares less than 3% of the turnover as tax, they are cheating the tax man.

Now we know that from starbacks. they declare no profit at all and in fact they have thousands of shops. now is starbucks really non-profit making organisation being run for theur staff and supliers or do they have something to hide, hang on a moment when the investigation was anounced about them suddenly they decided to pay 20 million in tax. what nice people they are, you asshole. what do you know about profit and loss and how to make profit and hide it.


I hate to bring the cangoroos in to the matter but look what happened to poor shell down under. i mean to be fined 755 million. i wonder how much they avoided and how. never mind they probaply are a good christian firm. i wander what happened to the accountancy firm who facilitiaed it.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/25/ato-slugs-shell-with-755m-bill-in-fight-against-multinational-tax-avoidance

here is another one, it must be the fact that they walk upside down and all that blood goes into their little brain.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-49017512

what we need is a 100 year punishment for any firm exectutive who helps people evade tax. that will stop it

So, did any of the companies you originally listed do anything illegal...?

Or did they just abide by the law and pay the taxes due i the countries in which they operated...?

Doesn't Starbucks (from memory) buy coffee from their operation in Belgium and pay tax on the profits there...?

Plus all the VAT, employers NI, employees NI, employees income tax, business rates, electricity bills, etc. that they pay in the UK.

Your socialist politics of envy disgust me... They shouldn't pay the tax which the law says is due, they should pay the tax that you think they should pay...

Think about it, one day the government might come after you, "Yes, I know you paid the legally owed amount of income tax but we think you should pay more", how would you think about that...?

Of course, you are the lunatic that thinks companies should pay tax on turnover and not on profit!

What a plonker!

PS I started and ran a very successful business in the UK so I know a little about profit and loss...

there is nothing illegal and yet they decided to stop the inestigation by offering to pay tax, why you may ask. andit was switzerland.

i will not explain companies do it except to say there is always a low taxing country involved and there is no ther reason other than the fact they have corporation tax. if you cna't work it out i will explain but only if you say cannot work it out.

i can give a bit more of a clue. why would an insurance company set up an office of al places. why would any company set up a company in barbadoes when they do very little business there.

interestingly shell ended up in court and they were proven to avoiding tax.

funny that innit?

you stupid boy.

[cyprusgrump]

there is nothing illegal and yet they decided to stop the inestigation by offering to pay tax, why you may ask. andit was switzerland.

i will not explain companies do it except to say there is always a low taxing country involved and there is no ther reason other than the fact they have corporation tax. if you cna't work it out i will explain but only if you say cannot work it out.

i can give a bit more of a clue. why would an insurance company set up an office of al places. why would any company set up a company in barbadoes when they do very little business there.

interestingly shell ended up in court and they were proven to avoiding tax.

funny that innit?

you stupid boy.

I see you have avoided my question...

So, did any of the companies you originally listed do anything illegal...?

The answer is 'no' of course, the companies paid the taxes due in laws created and presided over by the Tories you loathe and your beloved socialist friends in Labour...

Companies aren't in business to pay taxes, they are set up to make profit. Of course they arrange their finances to reduce the tax burden to a minimum. I certainly did when I ran my business...

But Socialists like you have no understanding of business, you think they should pay more tax than the law requires - hell, they should be taxed on their turnover, not their profit!

Tell me Socialist Boy, HMRC have a system whereby you can pay more tax then you are legally required to. A sort of voluntary contribution to the government. I presume you send them a cheque every month when you get your pay packet...?

No? I thought not...

It is surprising how few Socialists that call for more tax (because reasons) choose to use the service that is available to them to do so...