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[Paphitis]

People have been saying this for years

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsto ... fraud.html

Absolutely it's corrupt!

it's a bottomless pit and a waste of money. We saw the real EU during the financial crisis and it wasn't a pretty sight either.

[Paphitis]

This is good - Remoaners won't watch it tho obviously...

Indeed they won't watch it preferring to delude themselves even further with their false narrative.

Also, last Federal Elections in Australia was suppose to be a 100% Labor Victory according to the polls. The swing went the other way towards The Liberals (incumbents) and from that day forward, Scott Morrison (ScoMo) because The Son.

The neo Liberal streams of tears and total meltdown was a salt bonanza that will be savoured and remembered for a very long time.

[Paphitis]

No, I meant it but changed my mind because of your attitude.
I am surprised you can't deliver a simple Google search of your own.
You are you afraid of? There's a possibility you might prove me wrong

You’ve “changed your mind” because it’s another instance of your making a hyped up claim which is unsupportable. You made it, you offered to prove it but the silence now is deafening and it’s meaning obvious.

Like I said do your own search and prove me wrong!

Oh right. So let's get this straight. You make a false and over hyped claim and ask others to prove you wrong rather than you providing any evidence of your over hyped claims?

[Paphitis]

You said “in case you doubt what I say, I can prove it to you”. You haven’t though, because you can’t. It not possible to prove something which isn’t true. Ohh, sorry, you’ve “changed your mind”. 20/40/8 million.

Neeext!! ®

You always say that when you have no leg to stand on!

It's repetitive with you.

[Paphitis]

Pahhh! Nobody takes any notice of hard evidence in here. It’s all confirmation bias.

Still, to go through 50 of somebody’s posts, counting emoticons and calculating the stats does seem a tad ..........obsessive.

Still talking for and on behalf of everybody I see. There is no such singular thing as deploying 'confirmation bias' or not, there is only the degree to which people do so and the only useful information in comparative terms is the degree to which one person does vs another. You appear to bemoan the lack of recognition of 'hard evidence' here generically and then use that as an excuse for you personally ignoring hard evidence when it does not suit you ? Or is that unfair ? Is that not what you have just done ?

It also feels like you pointing out my greater than average willingness to put in actual effort (took about 7 mins I estimate) to test my 'guesses' and 'opinions' with actual hard data and evidence by labelling such a 'tad obsessive' is supposed to be disparaging of me ? If it is supposed to be disparaging then for where I am sitting it is not only not disparaging, it is in fact, to me, complimentary of me. So thanks for that.

So tell us Mr. Statistician, how much time do you spend on the forum every day hoping that somebody will respond to one of your tediously boring and repetitious posts...?

Does anyone actually still read them other than Lordo?

[erolz66]

This is good - Remoaners won't watch it tho obviously...

Indeed they won't watch it preferring to delude themselves even further with their false narrative.

You remind me of Johnson talking to a member of the public in a hospital and saying "There is no press here" to which the man turns and points at the press that are filming them and their conversation. I did watch it. I posted some of my views on it, in a rational measured way, to which you respond by saying 'indeed they won't watch it etc etc'. For example the I laid my reason and logic for why the claim the referendum was the 'biggest mandate in UK history' was just not true. Has anyone from the 'leave' side of things here addressed that point ? No they have not, just like the previous time I raised this here. Instead we have ad homein attacks.

[cyprusgrump]

This is good - Remoaners won't watch it tho obviously...

Indeed they won't watch it preferring to delude themselves even further with their false narrative.

You remind me of Johnson talking to a member of the public in a hospital and saying "There is no press here" to which the man turns and points at the press that are filming them and their conversation. I did watch it. I posted some of my views on it, in a rational measured way, to which you respond by saying 'indeed they won't watch it etc etc'. For example the I laid my reason and logic for why the claim the referendum was the 'biggest mandate in UK history' was just not true. Has anyone from the 'leave' side of things here addressed that point ? No they have not, just like the previous time I raised this here. Instead we have ad homein attacks.

All Leave voters have been on the wrong end of argumentum ad hominem for the past 40 months including (but not restricted to), racist, bigot, little Englander, thick, stupid, coffin dodger, cunt and not forgetting kant...

So you'll forgive us for having little to no sympathy with you...

[erolz66]

All Leave voters have been on the wrong end of argumentum ad hominem for the past 40 months including (but not restricted to), racist, bigot, little Englander, thick, stupid, coffin dodger, cunt and not forgetting kant...

So you'll forgive us for having little to no sympathy with you...

Show me a single post I have made here or anywhere where I have used terms or even ideas like racist, bigot, little Englander, thick, stupid, coffin dodger, cunt and not forgetting kant in regards to those who voted leave. Should be easy right ? You will not be able to do so because I have never used such terms, ideas or labels in regards to those who voted leave. So you will have to forgive me if this just sounds like an excuse for why you (and Londonrake and Paphitis) will not engage with arguments but instead just resort to ad homien attacks and then try and justify using ad homien attacks against me, someone who has never used such terms, because other people who are not me have done so.

By comparison you have and continue to use 'argumentum ad hominem' against every single person who voted remain, with accusations that all of them are undemocratic bad losers that just want to thwart the 'will of the people'. The degree of your hypocrisy is extreme imo.

[cyprusgrump]

All Leave voters have been on the wrong end of argumentum ad hominem for the past 40 months including (but not restricted to), racist, bigot, little Englander, thick, stupid, coffin dodger, cunt and not forgetting kant...

So you'll forgive us for having little to no sympathy with you...

Show me a single post I have made here or anywhere where I have used terms or even ideas like racist, bigot, little Englander, thick, stupid, coffin dodger, cunt and not forgetting kant in regards to those who voted leave. Should be easy right ? You will not be able to do so because I have never used such terms, ideas or labels in regards to those who voted leave. So you will have to forgive me if this just sounds like an excuse for why you (and Londonrake and Paphitis) will not engage with arguments but instead just resort to ad homien attacks and then try and justify using ad homien attacks against me, someone who has never used such terms, because other people who are not me have done so.

By comparison you have and continue to use 'argumentum ad hominem' against every single person who voted remain, with accusations that all of them are undemocratic bad losers that just want to thwart the 'will of the people'. The degree of your hypocrisy is extreme imo.

Oh I see...

So calling somebody 'undemocratic' for wishing to overturn the result of a referendum is equivalent to calling somebody a 'cunt' because they want the result of the aforementioned referendum to be implemented...?

I think I understand the Remoaner logic now...

[Londonrake]

All Leave voters have been on the wrong end of argumentum ad hominem for the past 40 months including (but not restricted to), racist, bigot, little Englander, thick, stupid, coffin dodger, cunt and not forgetting kant...

So you'll forgive us for having little to no sympathy with you...

Show me a single post I have made here or anywhere where I have used terms or even ideas like racist, bigot, little Englander, thick, stupid, coffin dodger, cunt and not forgetting kant in regards to those who voted leave. Should be easy right ? You will not be able to do so because I have never used such terms, ideas or labels in regards to those who voted leave. So you will have to forgive me if this just sounds like an excuse for why you (and Londonrake and Paphitis) will not engage with arguments but instead just resort to ad homien attacks and then try and justify using ad homien attacks against me, someone who has never used such terms, because other people who are not me have done so.

By comparison you have and continue to use 'argumentum ad hominem' against every single person who voted remain, with accusations that all of them are undemocratic bad losers that just want to thwart the 'will of the people'. The degree of your hypocrisy is extreme imo.

You surprise me. I’ve also tried to avoid adopting slurs, most notably I suppose “Remoaners”. It’s been a long 40 months though, so I may have transgressed on the odd, rare occasion.

I’m sure that there are very few (if any!) who weren’t shocked at the referendum result. I think we all expected Remain to win. However, from the outset I had a natural sympathy for the many who had ultimately lost. That didn’t last long. From 17th June 2016 people who voted Leave have been under almost continual abusive attack from all sides. Was it any wonder that many would turn? Truculent, bad loser Remainers are entirely responsible for igniting what’s in essence become a civil war.

Not only that but we’ve witnessed the very people who voted overwhelmingly to hold the referendum, then similarly to invoke Article 50 (or perhaps “they didn’t know what they were voting for?” ) furthermore, campaigning on manifesto commitments in 2017 to uphold the referendum result, actually block leaving the EU at every turn. There’s only one word to describe that - betrayal.

As for “engaging in arguments” there are none. In 2016 the entire electorate of the UK were invited by the vast majority of their parliament to vote on whether or not they wished to remain in or leave the EU. 17,410,742, a majority of 1,269,501 were in favour of leaving. 3 years and 4 months later we are still a member, with a parliament which seems determined to keep it that way.

You and likeminded people seem unable to accept that exercise in national democracy but instead contrive interminable, esoteric reasons for undermining it. Frankly, you can shove your pleas to “engage in arguments” where the sun doesn’t shine.

You talk of hypocrisy, seemingly unable to see how people like yourself - “Democrats” to a man/woman - have been wallowing in it for 3 years.