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[cyprusgrump]

LR and CG wouldn't even reside in Cyprus if the UK was out of the EU. Their children won't be able to reside at the homes they themselves bought to spend the rest of their lives in Cyprus.

Utter nonsense!

You are getting more repetitive than Milti.
Go ahead and explain why instead of posting stupid gifs

It is utter nonsense!

I came to Cyprus prior to her joining the EU.

Are you seriously suggesting that no non-EU nationals are able to live or buy homes in Cyprus...?

I'd better go and tell my Russian and Ukrainian neighbours hadn't I...?

[Pyrpolizer]

LR and CG wouldn't even reside in Cyprus if the UK was out of the EU. Their children won't be able to reside at the homes they themselves bought to spend the rest of their lives in Cyprus.

Utter nonsense!

You are getting more repetitive than Milti.
Go ahead and explain why instead of posting stupid gifs

It is utter nonsense!

I came to Cyprus prior to her joining the EU.

Are you seriously suggesting that no non-EU nationals are able to live or buy homes in Cyprus...?

I'd better go and tell my Russian and Ukrainian neighbours hadn't I...?

What I am seriously saying is that unless a non EU national BUYS property in Cyprus he won't get a residence permit.
He can't live on rent i.e.
Furthermore he has to convince the authorities of his intentions to become a permanent resident, and his permit if granted is only valid for a few years after which may or may not be renewed.
And even if he manages he has to be living here at least for 6 months/year or else his residence permit won't be renewed.
Tell that to your Russian neighbors.

NB. Minimum value of property 300K Euros. Minimum income from foreign sources 30K/annum.
Hence the average British pensioner today may not be eligible.

[erolz66]

When you live in your head pretending that the universe is 'binary' cause you do not or can not face the reality of an infinite, in time, in scale, in everything, universe - then such things are inevitable. Things like believing 'there is no difference between the UK leaving the EU with and overall agreement and a transition period and leaving it without' or that 'there is no difference being able to reside and live and work in Cyprus as a non Cypriot national by right and being allowed to do so by meeting particular criteria'. Your understanding of the world can only be limited if you can not recognise the difference between simplification as a 'tool' to aid understanding and pretending the universe is simple. It's like trying to understand and explain and depict the wonder of a sunset using a palette of just black and white.

[cyprusgrump]

LR and CG wouldn't even reside in Cyprus if the UK was out of the EU. Their children won't be able to reside at the homes they themselves bought to spend the rest of their lives in Cyprus.

Utter nonsense!

You are getting more repetitive than Milti.
Go ahead and explain why instead of posting stupid gifs

It is utter nonsense!

I came to Cyprus prior to her joining the EU.

Are you seriously suggesting that no non-EU nationals are able to live or buy homes in Cyprus...?

I'd better go and tell my Russian and Ukrainian neighbours hadn't I...?

What I am seriously saying is that unless a non EU national BUYS property in Cyprus he won't get a residence permit.
He can't live on rent i.e.
Furthermore he has to convince the authorities of his intentions to become a permanent resident, and his permit if granted is only valid for a few years after which may or may not be renewed.
And even if he manages he has to be living here at least for 6 months/year or else his residence permit won't be renewed.
Tell that to your Russian neighbors.

NB. Minimum value of property 300K Euros. Minimum income from foreign sources 30K/annum.
Hence the average British pensioner today may not be eligible.

So you agree that what you posted was utter nonsense...?

Cyprus will decide who she wants here and under what terms/conditions - not the EU.

[Londonrake]

Aren’t those the criteria for the “Golden passport” deal?

[erolz66]

Cyprus will decide who she wants here and under what terms/conditions - not the EU.

As far as non EU nationals go and even then only until they join Schengen as they are legally committed to do at some unspecified point. Unless of course they also leave the EU. And again your 'binary world view' imo prevents you from any kind of nuance understanding when such is necessary. There is a difference in having no say or control over your national borders and by choice having a shared say via agreement with others over such things. In your imaginary binary world you either have control or you do not. The universe is more complex and wondrous than your fictions allows. imo.

[erolz66]

It really is very simple. Today as a UK citizen you can choose to live and work in Cyprus or any of the other EU member states by RIGHT. After the UK leaves the EU such a UK citizen will only be bale to do so if they meet some set of specific criteria. To pretend these two states are the 'same' is clearly, to me, nonsense.

[cyprusgrump]

It really is very simple. Today as a UK citizen you can choose to live and work in Cyprus or any of the other EU member states by RIGHT. After the UK leaves the EU such a UK citizen will only be bale to do so if they meet some set of specific criteria. To pretend these two states are the 'same' is clearly, to me, nonsense.

Nobody said that...

Your inability (willing or otherwise) to comprehend what other posters have typed is probably why so few choose to engage with you any more...

Re-read the thread and see if you can gain a better understanding of the debate.

[erolz66]

It really is very simple. Today as a UK citizen you can choose to live and work in Cyprus or any of the other EU member states by RIGHT. After the UK leaves the EU such a UK citizen will only be bale to do so if they meet some set of specific criteria. To pretend these two states are the 'same' is clearly, to me, nonsense.

Nobody said that...

Your inability (willing or otherwise) to comprehend what other posters have typed is probably why so few choose to engage with you any more...

Re-read the thread and see if you can gain a better understanding of the debate.

I have seen many 'binary' leave supporters on the far end of the spectrum do exactly that, argue that there is no 'loss' in leaving for UK citizens on the basis that people still travelled to other EU countries, worked in other EU countries, resided in other EU countries before we joined the EU and therefore there is no difference or 'loss' from leaving. So are you NOT doing this ? You do accept the reality that there is a real and material loss in terms of living and working in EU countries to UK citizens once we leave the EU ? If you do accept this simple reality I can not say I have seen anything from you to date that would indicate or show that ? I have imo seen you try and present the presentation of real material negative consequences of leaving for UK citizens, like this one, as 'project fear' however.

[cyprusgrump]

It really is very simple. Today as a UK citizen you can choose to live and work in Cyprus or any of the other EU member states by RIGHT. After the UK leaves the EU such a UK citizen will only be bale to do so if they meet some set of specific criteria. To pretend these two states are the 'same' is clearly, to me, nonsense.

Nobody said that...

Your inability (willing or otherwise) to comprehend what other posters have typed is probably why so few choose to engage with you any more...

Re-read the thread and see if you can gain a better understanding of the debate.

I have seen many 'binary' leave supporters on the far end of the spectrum do exactly that, argue that there is no 'loss' in leaving for UK citizens on the basis that people still travelled to other EU countries, worked in other EU countries, resided in other EU countries before we joined the EU and therefore there is no difference or 'loss' from leaving. So are you NOT doing this ? You do accept the reality that there is a real and material loss in terms of living and working in EU countries to UK citizens once we leave the EU ? If you do accept this simple reality I can not say I have seen anything from you to date that would indicate or show that ? I have imo seen you try and present the presentation of real material negative consequences of leaving for UK citizens, like this one, as 'project fear' however.

As I said, re-read the thread and try to understand how hopelessly inaccurate your claims are... again...