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[Londonrake]

A deal based exit on the 31st is looking increasingly likely as can be seen in the market price of sterling.

Reading between the lines, I doubt it will happen. If it should though, whatever form it takes, I'd be surprised if it wasn't voted down by this parliament.

This won't be settled until after a General Election (if even then). Should we still be in the EU when that - finally! - takes place it's anybody's guess what the result might be.

After the past 3 years I certainly wouldn't trust any of the main parties to deliver on Brexit. Whatever lies they had in their 2017 election manifestos. I will believe them when it happens.

Feels like you have avoided the question ? Did you as a leave voter consider TM withdrawal deal to have 'delivered on the ref result' or not or to have been a betrayal of it ? If not how much change would you need to that deal before it would for you be compatible with having delivered on the result of the referendum ? Could any thing other than a no deal exit have delivered on the result of the ref for you ?

There is no “Johnson deal” and personally I doubt there will be. When/if it happens though and we know the details, ask again.

[erolz66]

There is no “Johnson deal” and personally I doubt there will be. When/if it happens though and we know the details, ask again.

OK so can I ask what you considered of TM's deal then ? Was that an attempt, in your view, to deliver the referendum result or subvert it ?

[Lordo]

despite what brexshitters say, the eu originally proposed a backstop for northern ireland and may changed it to the whole uk. it seems now they are about to revert to northern ireland only. the eu will not remove the backstop because it is an insurance policy. if you are about to crash your car into a wall the last thing you would do is stop your insurance policy. they are about to agree with the eu to allow them to implement the withdrawal agreement in the future when the alternatives were in place. well this was always there from day one. if they ask the eu to allow uk alone to decide if those required measure have been met so they can withdraw they will get the same answer. it seems like a good little pup chasing its own tail. if the backstop is not removed from the withdrawal agreement the dup will not vote for it.

in any case they have lost their majority even if the 21 mps are allowed to return. the only deal that has the slightest chance of passing is the may agreement with the improvement corbyn suggested to may which has never been published despite the parliament passing a vote to have it published.
so no matter which way the stupid boy turns there is a brick wall in front of him.

there is only one way to get through this. he has to go to the eu on 17/18 of october and either return with a deal or return without one. either way parliament will decide what to do. the actions are obvious from that point on. the reason why they cannot force it now is because man-child will continue to lie to the brexshitters claiming he has not been allowed to bring back a deal. once brexshitters finally realise they were promised what they cannot have, then the no dealers will vote one way and the rest the other. tory party assuming they support no-deal at the election then will reduce to less than 3% of the vote. quite how much is not easy to ascertain as we don't really know how many of the 17.4 million voted for no deal. i can have a stab at it though.
4 million of that figure are labour voters and perhaps just a couple of thousand would have voted for no deal.

tories got 13 million votes in the 2017 election, you can reasonably assume one third of those voted for remain because that is what they claimed. that is another 4 million or so , but how many of the brexshitters are for no deal is not that easy to work out but if we assume three quarters are no dealers, that brings down the no deal brexshitters in the tory party to number between 5 million to 6.5 million. If 75 per cent of leavers were remainers that will be 6.5 million.

there is nothing better for the remainers than to have an election in november after the date is extended and let the people have a say on what went on. if no-dealers win, that there that will be final.

[erolz66]

Perfectly valid because what the EU has done is betray its very own member state by not standing up to Iran for the illegal incarceration of American, British, Australian and Canadian Citizens.

The Australian academic is also a British National and hence an EU citizen for the time being.

The EU needs to re-calibrate exactly on whose side they are on.

the EU can not have it both ways and close their eyes when Iran illegally arrests innocent citizens and innocent people or intercept British Shipping through the Straits of Homuz in International waters.

Even one of the British MEPs made a statement calling out the EU's total hypocrisy in the so called Euro pseudo parliament.

If the EU is not prepared to support the interests of its members and stand up against this injustice, then here is no point being a member of the EU as the EU is just a void and empty vessel.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 12696.html

[Lordo]

What a blatantly stupid analogy.only a fucking idiot would say this !

Perfectly valid because what the EU has done is betray its very own member state by not standing up to Iran for the illegal incarceration of American, British, Australian and Canadian Citizens.

The Australian academic is also a British National and hence an EU citizen for the time being.

The EU needs to re-calibrate exactly on whose side they are on.

the EU can not have it both ways and close their eyes when Iran illegally arrests innocent citizens and innocent people or intercept British Shipping through the Straits of Homuz in International waters.

Even one of the British MEPs made a statement calling out the EU's total hypocrisy in the so called Euro pseudo parliament.

If the EU is not prepared to support the interests of its members and stand up against this injustice, then here is no point being a member of the EU as the EU is just a void and empty vessel.

just remind us how did iran got to this point from 19th of august1953?
who overthrew the elected government and placed a dictator on iran.
what did that dictator do and how were the religioud fanatics able to remove him.

you can't have blinkers all your life.

iran had a deal and trum decided to withdraw. their withdrawal is not the issue, but their ability to bully the rest of the world and implement embargoes on iran is.

if the yanks think they will walk all over iran like in iraq they have another think comming. they found out how difficult syria has been and they may even try it on iran but i suspect not as iran will flatten saudi oil supplied in a day and i don't think the yanks like that idea.

whats more important what kind of governmet spends billions on patriots weopens and not switch them on. even if they were switch on would they be able to spot a drone. i suspect not. lets face it the war abilities are balancing out with the weak just as able to attack the strong and their damage will be far worse.

as to your australian military, just supply them with good sturdy beds they can hide under and they will be fine.

[Paphitis]

Paphiti, the corrupt EU is doing the same to Cyprus, never mind an Aussie citizen.

A member state held under illegal occupation, what have they done for us? Sweet F A that's what.

Don't hold your breath for her, poor woman.

Three Kurdish Majors have been imprisoned, where is the F MSM has this been reported, where is the EU to speak up for H R and Turkey is a F candidate country FFS.

I know B25. The EU is remarkably silent on the occupation of Cyprus and yet they think it is ok to talk about the Irish Backstop.

I'm not holding my breath for this poor woman. She is not in a good place and the Australian Government refuses to talk to the Iranian Government or be forced into a position to negotiate. They have just issued warnings and told all Australian Citizens to not travel to Iran under any circumstances and that if they do the Australian Government is not in a position to provide any protection or representation. They have issued however sanctions against Iran and they have also sent some warships to the Straits of Homuz.

The EU howvere is doing the opposite. And this girl is an EU citizen as well.

[Paphitis]

A deal based exit on the 31st is looking increasingly likely as can be seen in the market price of sterling.

Reading between the lines, I doubt it will happen. If it should though, whatever form it takes, I'd be surprised if it wasn't voted down by this parliament.

This won't be settled until after a General Election (if even then). Should we still be in the EU when that - finally! - takes place it's anybody's guess what the result might be.

After the past 3 years I certainly wouldn't trust any of the main parties to deliver on Brexit. Whatever lies they had in their 2017 election manifestos. I will believe them when it happens.

That is what I think will happen too.

I think BORIS will deliver a deal in good fiath which will fo to The House of Commons and be voted down again by the Remainers. This in affect plays right into the hands of Boris as well, who will then be left with no choice but to BREXIT under WTO terms. After that there will be a vote of no confidence and a GE.

[cyprusgrump]

what i love about leavers is their positive thinking. manchild has caged himself up and locked the door and gace the key to corbyn and they see it as he is played a blinder. he was unable to give a press conferance after the talks yeatserday and he is a playing a blinder.

about 15% of people in the country are no-deal leavers so he can play their tune all hie like, he will get slaughtered especially if brexit party is against him.

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Lordo = Completely delusional...

[Pyrpolizer]

There will be no Tariffs on EU and British goods.

The EU will not countenance the loss of its biggest trader within the EU. Not that there ill be a loss, there will only be a small decline in trade of a few percent which will hit both sides and Germany is not going to fall by the wayside here because of any pride. Capitalism will always prevail. the money will always talk. There will be a trade deal but what Britain needs to do is strengthen its bargaining power and Boris is doing just that.

Secondly, Britain gains a lot from BREXIT. It ensures the maintenance of its political institutions, its Central bank monetary independence and it can enter into trade deals as an independent sovereign country with other third countries like Australia and USA.

No EU members have that.

I never said there was a change when buying any goods. If anything, maybe things became slightly cheaper by 1 or 2%.

But there was a shortchanging in the conversion rate between the Cyprus Pound to Euro and that was very significant. I can't remember the figures exactly, but if the pound was worth nearly 2 euros, Cyprus only got 1.60 Euros per pound on the conversion. I never forgot that and was wondering what that was all about.

You abolished your pound and surrendered all control. Britain does not want to and will never do that. I respect the UK for this. They are holding onto their institutions and don't want to surrender any control. You got to understand that and respect it.

British citizens will lose freedom of movement and settlement among other things.
They will be the only ones among Europeans to need a visa for a simple travel. What an embarrassment!
LR and CG wouldn't even reside in Cyprus if the UK was out of the EU. Their children won't be able to reside at the homes they themselves bought to spend the rest of their lives in Cyprus.

Britain was never obliged to join the Eurozone. And in fact they didn't. The main reason was to be able to keep the GBP overvalued for the benefit of the financial markets. Regardless of the fact that this was damaging their manufacturing sector.

As for our supposed loss Vs the Euro, you are simply wrong.
I just checked my books:
at 19 March 2003 (we were not in the EU) I made a Swift transfer in an EU Country at the exchange rate of 0.585343 (1 CYP=1.708400 Euro)
at 25 Sep 2007 (we were in the EU but not in the Euro) I made a Swift transfer in an EU Country at the exchange rate of 0.58600 (1 CYP=1.706500 Euro
In 2008 we joined the Eurozone and exchanged our CY Pounds to Euro at a fixed exchange rate of 0.585274 (1 CYP=1.708600 Euro)

Where did you discover that 20% loss is beyond me.

[Paphitis]

There will be no Tariffs on EU and British goods.

The EU will not countenance the loss of its biggest trader within the EU. Not that there ill be a loss, there will only be a small decline in trade of a few percent which will hit both sides and Germany is not going to fall by the wayside here because of any pride. Capitalism will always prevail. the money will always talk. There will be a trade deal but what Britain needs to do is strengthen its bargaining power and Boris is doing just that.

Secondly, Britain gains a lot from BREXIT. It ensures the maintenance of its political institutions, its Central bank monetary independence and it can enter into trade deals as an independent sovereign country with other third countries like Australia and USA.

No EU members have that.

I never said there was a change when buying any goods. If anything, maybe things became slightly cheaper by 1 or 2%.

But there was a shortchanging in the conversion rate between the Cyprus Pound to Euro and that was very significant. I can't remember the figures exactly, but if the pound was worth nearly 2 euros, Cyprus only got 1.60 Euros per pound on the conversion. I never forgot that and was wondering what that was all about.

You abolished your pound and surrendered all control. Britain does not want to and will never do that. I respect the UK for this. They are holding onto their institutions and don't want to surrender any control. You got to understand that and respect it.

British citizens will lose freedom of movement and settlement among other things.
They will be the only ones among Europeans to need a visa for a simple travel. What an embarrassment!
LR and CG wouldn't even reside in Cyprus if the UK was out of the EU. Their children won't be able to reside at the homes they themselves bought to spend the rest of their lives in Cyprus.

Britain was never obliged to join the Eurozone. And in fact they didn't. The main reason was to be able to keep the GBP overvalued for the benefit of the financial markets. Regardless of the fact that this was damaging their manufacturing sector.

As for our supposed loss Vs the Euro, you are simply wrong.
I just checked my books:
at 19 March 2003 (we were not in the EU) I made a Swift transfer in an EU Country at the exchange rate of 0.585343 (1 CYP=1.708400 Euro)
at 25 Sep 2007 (we were in the EU but not in the Euro) I made a Swift transfer in an EU Country at the exchange rate of 0.58600 (1 CYP=1.706500 Euro
In 2008 we joined the Eurozone and exchanged our CY Pounds to Euro at a fixed exchange rate of 0.585274 (1 CYP=1.708600 Euro)

Where did you discover that 20% loss is beyond me.

They don't want freedom of movement. They want to tighten their borders as a matter of fact because the EU is too liberal and free with their borders and are letting anyone in.

Getting a VISA is a very easy process with regard to any EU country. I myself have an EU passport and can go anywhere, but I also have an Australian passport which gets me into the UK very easily. It's also easy to get to many contracts like Germany and France in particular as an Australian so it isn't really a problem.

Brits will of course eventually be allowed to come and go to the EU as in a full customs union in due course after BREXIT once these matters are agreed to and ironed out. Once again, there are 1 million EU citizens in the UK and there are a few million Brits living in EU countries.