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[Paphitis]

I always thought that to become a martyr, one would need to die for a cause. If BJ breaks the law and is jailed, he doesn’t become a martyr, he becomes a convicted criminal!

Now, if he were to kill himself before he is sentenced he might just get halfway to martyrdom, but if he kills himself once he becomes a convicted criminal, he will die a convicted criminal.

A political martyr.

No I don't think he wants to kill himself. he is too headstrong and not the type of guy that will give up easily as everyone can see.

If he becomes a convicted criminal, and that's a big IF, he also becomes a champion of the people.

On what ground can BJ become “champion of the people” when he hasn’t achieved anything other than destroying the Tory party? No one is trying to stop Brexit, but only a no deal Brexit.

Ok, perhaps non Tory parties may thank him for fucking up his party.

IF BOJO stays true to his word and prefers "to die in a ditch" than to surrender to the EU (I would prefer that too), and let's say there are legal ramifications over his actions which could (not guaranteed by any means) land him in hot water, he would still become the biggest hero to the British People for having the courage to stand up to the EU, the anti democratic Coupists, and respecting the democratic vote of 2016.

BoJo does have options.

If he caves in to the surrender, then he is finished and so is his legacy.

[Paphitis]

The guy has solid beliefs in God and country and is the kind that will put it all on the line.

And yet even his own brother does not trust him to act in the national interest, so why should the electorate ?

I wouldn't say that at all.

Yet you are not his brother and that is what his brother has said. Such kinds of political 'fratricide' as seen with the milliband brothers never play well before an electorate.

At the end of the day, they are both family and his brother did the right thing to step aside.

All families can have political differences like this, but at the end of the day they are still family and connected through life.

I am positive BoJo, being the kind of chap he is, will always remain loyal and supportive to his brother and put silly political differences aside.

[erolz66]

To say we should leave the EU in a sensible way rather than in a crazy way is not 'surrender'. It is simply the victory of sense over demagoguery. The EU are not our enemies. Making them our enemies is stupid and irresponsible.

[Paphitis]

To say we should leave the EU in a sensible way rather than in a crazy way is not 'surrender'. It is simply the victory of sense over demagoguery. The EU are not our enemies. Making them our enemies is stupid and irresponsible.

There is no sensible way to leave the EU now apart from WTO.

The deal the EU will offer will be catastrophic to Britain.

There is no point even trying to negotiate a deal now. That opportunity was scuppered which is why BoJo needs to go to the people.

[erolz66]

At the end of the day, they are both family and his brother did the right thing to step aside.

All families can have political differences like this, but at the end of the day they are still family and connected through life.

I am positive BoJo, being the kind of chap he is, will always remain loyal and supportive to his brother and put silly political differences aside.

You are not getting the point. Such political fratricide does serious political damage. Always. People who may not have any interest or understanding about things like the difference between a single market and a customs union will instantly understand that his own brother did not trust him as PM. It is drama that is more 'eastenders' than 'westminster' and there are large sections of the electorate who do and will make their judgements based on such human factors. There is no putting the genie back in to the bottle. The damage is already done and the effects will be material.

[Kikapu]

I always thought that to become a martyr, one would need to die for a cause. If BJ breaks the law and is jailed, he doesn’t become a martyr, he becomes a convicted criminal!

Now, if he were to kill himself before he is sentenced he might just get halfway to martyrdom, but if he kills himself once he becomes a convicted criminal, he will die a convicted criminal.

A political martyr.

No I don't think he wants to kill himself. he is too headstrong and not the type of guy that will give up easily as everyone can see.

If he becomes a convicted criminal, and that's a big IF, he also becomes a champion of the people.

On what ground can BJ become “champion of the people” when he hasn’t achieved anything other than destroying the Tory party? No one is trying to stop Brexit, but only a no deal Brexit.

Ok, perhaps non Tory parties may thank him for fucking up his party.

IF BOJO stays true to his word and prefers "to die in a ditch" than to surrender to the EU (I would prefer that too), and let's say there are legal ramifications over his actions which could (not guaranteed by any means) land him in hot water, he would still become the biggest hero to the British People for having the courage to stand up to the EU, the anti democratic Coupists, and respecting the democratic vote of 2016.

BoJo does have options.

If he caves in to the surrender, then he is finished and so is his legacy.

BJ would not be standing against the EU but against the very establishment which he is a member and a PM, that makes laws for the UK and it’s citizens. He would be giving the two fingers to the British people, and I do not mean the famous Winston Churchill’s two finger victory sign.

BJ has zero legacy at this point that is a plus for him. His legacy thus far is having lost four votes against him and perhaps few more tomorrow.

[Paphitis]

At the end of the day, they are both family and his brother did the right thing to step aside.

All families can have political differences like this, but at the end of the day they are still family and connected through life.

I am positive BoJo, being the kind of chap he is, will always remain loyal and supportive to his brother and put silly political differences aside.

You are not getting the point. Such political fratricide does serious political damage. Always. People who may not have any interest or understanding about things like the difference between a single market and a customs union will instantly understand that his own brother did not trust him as PM. It is drama that is more 'eastenders' than 'westminster' and there are large sections of the electorate who do and will make their judgements based on such human factors. There is no putting the genie back in to the bottle. The damage is already done and the effects will be material.

Not really! His brother isn't popular among the Brexiteers.

It's an advantage to the Torie Party because now the benches are clear for the Tories to campaign on a BREXIT platform and align with The Brexit Party.

The 21 traitors are GONE! And they won't be in the new Parliament. It was a great purge.

The person that has damaged themselves the most is Corbyn and Labor.

[Paphitis]

I always thought that to become a martyr, one would need to die for a cause. If BJ breaks the law and is jailed, he doesn’t become a martyr, he becomes a convicted criminal!

Now, if he were to kill himself before he is sentenced he might just get halfway to martyrdom, but if he kills himself once he becomes a convicted criminal, he will die a convicted criminal.

A political martyr.

No I don't think he wants to kill himself. he is too headstrong and not the type of guy that will give up easily as everyone can see.

If he becomes a convicted criminal, and that's a big IF, he also becomes a champion of the people.

On what ground can BJ become “champion of the people” when he hasn’t achieved anything other than destroying the Tory party? No one is trying to stop Brexit, but only a no deal Brexit.

Ok, perhaps non Tory parties may thank him for fucking up his party.

IF BOJO stays true to his word and prefers "to die in a ditch" than to surrender to the EU (I would prefer that too), and let's say there are legal ramifications over his actions which could (not guaranteed by any means) land him in hot water, he would still become the biggest hero to the British People for having the courage to stand up to the EU, the anti democratic Coupists, and respecting the democratic vote of 2016.

BoJo does have options.

If he caves in to the surrender, then he is finished and so is his legacy.

BJ would not be standing against the EU but against the very establishment which he is a member and a PM, that makes laws for the UK and it’s citizens. He would be giving the two fingers to the British people, and I do not mean the famous Winston Churchill’s two finger victory sign.

BJ has zero legacy at this point that is a plus for him. His legacy thus far is having lost four votes against him and perhaps few more tomorrow.

He will be standing against the EU and the Establishment. That is going to win him a lot more votes. As far as they are concerned, they had their vote and they xpect their Parliamentarians to deliver. BoJo is trying to deliver hence his rise in the polls and the remoaners are trying to scupper hence their decline.

The British people actually feel betrayed and are beside themselves over this Coup.

Whatever happens, there is going to be a massive backlash at the polls and BoJo isn't going to be the target.

[erolz66]

The deal the EU will offer will be catastrophic to Britain.

You mean any variant of the deal that Jonhson (and Mogg) themselves voted FOR at the third time of asking ? Trying to grab yourself a slice of the 'project fear' pie are we ? Where has all the 'have some faith in the UK and your country' bluster suddenly gone ? We will be massively more out of the EU than we have been for the last 40 years and yet that will be catastrophic for the UK will it ? This is your best 'narrative' is it ? lol.

[Paphitis]

The deal the EU will offer will be catastrophic to Britain.

You mean any variant of the deal that Jonhson (and Mogg) themselves voted FOR at the third time of asking ? Trying to grab yourself a slice of the 'project fear' pie are we ? Where has all the 'have some faith in the UK and your country' bluster suddenly gone ? We will be massively more out of the EU than we have been for the last 40 years and yet that will be catastrophic for the UK will it ? This is your best 'narrative' is it ? lol.

What project fear pie. That's not our game.

And I seriously doubt BoJo is going to negotiate any deal without going to the people. They want a GE.