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[miltiades]

Your knowledge of anything is void of any logic. Why is Sterling down stupid? Is it not as a direct result of the impending, if at all, Brexhit which will leave the UK in the shit ?

[Pyrpolizer]

It's worth wondering why the UK consented for those poor countries like Poland, Latvia, Lithuania etc to become EU members. Did they really comply with the economic criteria?? Absolutely not! It was all about grabbing ex-USSR satellites, most probably a NATO decision.

Poland's GDP per capita when it joined the EU in 2004 was only $7,000 and it doubled ever since. Poland today Is Europe’s Champion in economic growth.Nearly all domestic appliances, washing machines, refrigerators, stoves etc, are today made in Poland. Poland is establishing a huge manufacturing base. Many Poles already return from abroad. Poland is expected to become one of Europe's giants within the next 30 years.

Is this what really makes the British so hostile to the Poles? Jealousy ??

It's got nothing at all to do with junk Soviet era satellites for crying out loud.

It's about cheap labor and using these poorer counties to manufacture goods at a cheap price in order to maximize profits for the big corporates.

If this was the reason then the corporations would have also exploited the cheap labor of the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, and Slovenia to maximize their profits. Nothing of that sort happened.
And what makes you think the big British corporations will cease to exploit the cheap labor in Poland by moving even more factories there at a higher rate than now after Brexit???

Now let's assume that there was unbearable immigration from Poland to the UK. The numbers speak for themselves. The unbearable immigration to the UK was from Pakistan and India to the point they even elected one of those as a Mayor of London. So the UK WAS NOT actually bound by EU rules but continued allowing immigrants from the commonwealth.

Thirdly let's assume that after Brexit the UK will be able to repatriate all those immigrants. IT CAN'T it's against UN human rights.
It will just replace one problem (immigration of Poles) with another (Pakistanis, and Indians).

Brexit paphitis is not even back to square 1. It's back to square 0 (out of the chess board i.e.) The UK has just declared Rois-Mat on itself

[Pyrpolizer]

You may also ask yourself why the Brexiteer Politicians targeted the Poles regarding foreign immigration, and not the Pakistanis and Indians.
The reason is very simple. Because the majority of Poles were not eligible to vote at the referendum contrary to the Indians and Pakistanis.
If that's not demagogic hypocrisy I wonder what it is.

[Paphitis]

Your knowledge of anything is void of any logic. Why is Sterling down stupid? Is it not as a direct result of the impending, if at all, Brexhit which will leave the UK in the shit ?

And your logic in ignoring electoral referenda is smart I suppose?

[Paphitis]

You may also ask yourself why the Brexiteer Politicians targeted the Poles regarding foreign immigration, and not the Pakistanis and Indians.
The reason is very simple. Because the majority of Poles were not eligible to vote at the referendum contrary to the Indians and Pakistanis.
If that's not demagogic hypocrisy I wonder what it is.

Even Cyprus was targeted.

Farage in one of his latest interviews actually said, "we don't want to be in a partnership with failing economies like Cyprus, Greece and Portugal" That's word for word.

Obviously, he has nothing personal with Poland, or Cyprus. It is just an argument or public opinion ploy to sway more people towards BREXIT Party.

There is no animosity towards individual countries of the EU. The animosity is towards the EU itself.

[Paphitis]

It's worth wondering why the UK consented for those poor countries like Poland, Latvia, Lithuania etc to become EU members. Did they really comply with the economic criteria?? Absolutely not! It was all about grabbing ex-USSR satellites, most probably a NATO decision.

Poland's GDP per capita when it joined the EU in 2004 was only $7,000 and it doubled ever since. Poland today Is Europe’s Champion in economic growth.Nearly all domestic appliances, washing machines, refrigerators, stoves etc, are today made in Poland. Poland is establishing a huge manufacturing base. Many Poles already return from abroad. Poland is expected to become one of Europe's giants within the next 30 years.

Is this what really makes the British so hostile to the Poles? Jealousy ??

It's got nothing at all to do with junk Soviet era satellites for crying out loud.

It's about cheap labor and using these poorer counties to manufacture goods at a cheap price in order to maximize profits for the big corporates.

If this was the reason then the corporations would have also exploited the cheap labor of the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, and Slovenia to maximize their profits. Nothing of that sort happened.
And what makes you think the big British corporations will cease to exploit the cheap labor in Poland by moving even more factories there at a higher rate than now after Brexit???

Now let's assume that there was unbearable immigration from Poland to the UK. The numbers speak for themselves. The unbearable immigration to the UK was from Pakistan and India to the point they even elected one of those as a Mayor of London. So the UK WAS NOT actually bound by EU rules but continued allowing immigrants from the commonwealth.

Thirdly let's assume that after Brexit the UK will be able to repatriate all those immigrants. IT CAN'T it's against UN human rights.
It will just replace one problem (immigration of Poles) with another (Pakistanis, and Indians).

Brexit paphitis is not even back to square 1. It's back to square 0 (out of the chess board i.e.) The UK has just declared Rois-Mat on itself

They do exploit the labor of whoever is willing to be exploited.

This isn't about Poland. That is just a convenient argument, a bit like the NHS although some of it is most valid. but they are ploys to sway opinion. The real target might not be the Poles at all, because Poles actually have a good chance to integrate into British society in a very good way. They are just caught in the crossfire, because opportunism dictates, but the target could be others from other religions.

The real agenda since day one is to get out of the EU and to prevent the EU from having any power over the British legislative process and to also re-arrange their immigration intakes and policies which is urgently needed.

I don't know what you are getting at but for the first time in 3+ years, Britain has direction and will BREXIT in under 2 months from now. EU threats no longer have any power or leverage over the UK.

[Paphitis]

The poles are probably one of the least likely to cause long term problems for the UK.

[Pyrpolizer]

It's worth wondering why the UK consented for those poor countries like Poland, Latvia, Lithuania etc to become EU members. Did they really comply with the economic criteria?? Absolutely not! It was all about grabbing ex-USSR satellites, most probably a NATO decision.

Poland's GDP per capita when it joined the EU in 2004 was only $7,000 and it doubled ever since. Poland today Is Europe’s Champion in economic growth.Nearly all domestic appliances, washing machines, refrigerators, stoves etc, are today made in Poland. Poland is establishing a huge manufacturing base. Many Poles already return from abroad. Poland is expected to become one of Europe's giants within the next 30 years.

Is this what really makes the British so hostile to the Poles? Jealousy ??

It's got nothing at all to do with junk Soviet era satellites for crying out loud.

It's about cheap labor and using these poorer counties to manufacture goods at a cheap price in order to maximize profits for the big corporates.

If this was the reason then the corporations would have also exploited the cheap labor of the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, and Slovenia to maximize their profits. Nothing of that sort happened.
And what makes you think the big British corporations will cease to exploit the cheap labor in Poland by moving even more factories there at a higher rate than now after Brexit???

Now let's assume that there was unbearable immigration from Poland to the UK. The numbers speak for themselves. The unbearable immigration to the UK was from Pakistan and India to the point they even elected one of those as a Mayor of London. So the UK WAS NOT actually bound by EU rules but continued allowing immigrants from the commonwealth.

Thirdly let's assume that after Brexit the UK will be able to repatriate all those immigrants. IT CAN'T it's against UN human rights.
It will just replace one problem (immigration of Poles) with another (Pakistanis, and Indians).

Brexit paphitis is not even back to square 1. It's back to square 0 (out of the chess board i.e.) The UK has just declared Rois-Mat on itself

They do exploit the labor of whoever is willing to be exploited.

This isn't about Poland. That is just a convenient argument, a bit like the NHS although some of it is most valid. but they are ploys to sway opinion. The real target might not be the Poles at all, because Poles actually have a good chance to integrate into British society in a very good way. They are just caught in the crossfire, because opportunism dictates, but the target could be others from other religions.

The real agenda since day one is to get out of the EU and to prevent the EU from having any power over the British legislative process and to also re-arrange their immigration intakes and policies which is urgently needed.

I don't know what you are getting at but for the first time in 3+ years, Britain has direction and will BREXIT in under 2 months from now. EU threats no longer have any power or leverage over the UK.

We finally agreed on something. It was all lies, except -quoting you verbatim "The real agenda since day one is to get out of the EU and to prevent the EU from having any power over the British legislative process and to also re-arrange their immigration intakes and policies".

Now you may wish to investigate another issue: Does the EU impose more than 1% legislature on member states?
And which part of that 1% is NOT necessary for regulating the Single market and free movement and settlement of goods/services and people?

Even if you were an absolute British Nationalist, who couldn't digest anything that concerns the UK be decided from outsiders, wouldn't your number one priority be the price you 'd have to pay for that extra luxury?

[Paphitis]

It's worth wondering why the UK consented for those poor countries like Poland, Latvia, Lithuania etc to become EU members. Did they really comply with the economic criteria?? Absolutely not! It was all about grabbing ex-USSR satellites, most probably a NATO decision.

Poland's GDP per capita when it joined the EU in 2004 was only $7,000 and it doubled ever since. Poland today Is Europe’s Champion in economic growth.Nearly all domestic appliances, washing machines, refrigerators, stoves etc, are today made in Poland. Poland is establishing a huge manufacturing base. Many Poles already return from abroad. Poland is expected to become one of Europe's giants within the next 30 years.

Is this what really makes the British so hostile to the Poles? Jealousy ??

It's got nothing at all to do with junk Soviet era satellites for crying out loud.

It's about cheap labor and using these poorer counties to manufacture goods at a cheap price in order to maximize profits for the big corporates.

If this was the reason then the corporations would have also exploited the cheap labor of the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, and Slovenia to maximize their profits. Nothing of that sort happened.
And what makes you think the big British corporations will cease to exploit the cheap labor in Poland by moving even more factories there at a higher rate than now after Brexit???

Now let's assume that there was unbearable immigration from Poland to the UK. The numbers speak for themselves. The unbearable immigration to the UK was from Pakistan and India to the point they even elected one of those as a Mayor of London. So the UK WAS NOT actually bound by EU rules but continued allowing immigrants from the commonwealth.

Thirdly let's assume that after Brexit the UK will be able to repatriate all those immigrants. IT CAN'T it's against UN human rights.
It will just replace one problem (immigration of Poles) with another (Pakistanis, and Indians).

Brexit paphitis is not even back to square 1. It's back to square 0 (out of the chess board i.e.) The UK has just declared Rois-Mat on itself

They do exploit the labor of whoever is willing to be exploited.

This isn't about Poland. That is just a convenient argument, a bit like the NHS although some of it is most valid. but they are ploys to sway opinion. The real target might not be the Poles at all, because Poles actually have a good chance to integrate into British society in a very good way. They are just caught in the crossfire, because opportunism dictates, but the target could be others from other religions.

The real agenda since day one is to get out of the EU and to prevent the EU from having any power over the British legislative process and to also re-arrange their immigration intakes and policies which is urgently needed.

I don't know what you are getting at but for the first time in 3+ years, Britain has direction and will BREXIT in under 2 months from now. EU threats no longer have any power or leverage over the UK.

We finally agreed on something. It was all lies, except -quoting you verbatim "The real agenda since day one is to get out of the EU and to prevent the EU from having any power over the British legislative process and to also re-arrange their immigration intakes and policies".

Now you may wish to investigate another issue: Does the EU impose more than 1% legislature on member states?
And which part of that 1% is NOT necessary for regulating the Single market and free movement and settlement of goods/services and people?

BEXIT isn't lies!

Brexit is about wrestling control back from the EU. This is what it has been all about since day one. The Brits do not want to outsource their power and control over their country to the EU.

But, in order to win the referendum, a campaign had to be waged similar to the scare hysteria being waged right now.

In that campaign there were many things discussed like the NHS, immigration, different legislation, funding and propping up of other countries like Cyprus (which any tax payer is going to hate) in order to attract the votes.

This is just all common sense.

But the ultimate objective was just to always get out of the EU. It had probably nothing to do with Cyprus or Poland or the NHS.

[Pyrpolizer]

BEXIT isn't lies!

Brexit is about wrestling control back from the EU. This is what it has been all about since day one. The Brits do not want to outsource their power and control over their country to the EU.

But, in order to win the referendum, a campaign had to be waged similar to the scare hysteria being waged right now.

In that campaign there were many things discussed like the NHS, immigration, different legislation, funding and propping up of other countries like Cyprus (which any tax payer is going to hate) in order to attract the votes.

This is just all common sense.

But the ultimate objective was just to always get out of the EU. It had probably nothing to do with Cyprus or Poland or the NHS.

And the question still remains: AT WHAT COST?