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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:16 pm

Predicting the future is a mugs game at the best of times. That can only be more so now in these unprecedented and volatile times. So here I go.

The bill gets royal assent on Monday and becomes law. Johnson goes to the EU council meeting on the 17th and fails to get a deal. He refuses to send the letter requesting an extension as the law of the land will require him to do. Labour then forms a minority government and sends the letter, after Johnson resigns or a vote of no confidence is won. They also tweak the TM deal a bit and the political deceleration more, with a political commitment to seek some form of continued participation in some form of customs union with the EU over the course of the 2 years transition period. They get this deal passed through parliament and we actually finally leave the EU in every legal sense but with the two year transition period to sort out the details and future trading relationship. They then call a GE. They win a majority, on the basis that for 'leavers', although the withdrawal bill is not optimal to maximum leaver demands, they will have delivered on the referendum result, in a matter of a couple months, way more than the Tories managed to do in 3 and half years. For remainers they will be seen as being the architects of saving us from a no deal crash out exit. The extreme leavers will scream and shout but the vast majority of the country will not care. We will be out of the EU. The details of our continued participation in a customs union will be 2 years away at least. The nightmare will be over and no significant majority of the 'people' will have the desire or will to continue it, over us being out of the EU but still in some form of customs union at some indistinct time in the future, apart from a few fanatics. Sterling will gain around 10%, people will be able to plan their holidays without uncertainty. All talk of medicine shortages, food shortages, 80 mile traffic jams at ports, job losses will disappear. Farrage and some others will scream and shout and most of the public will say 'meh'.

GE results

Labour win 320 - 400 seats
Lib Dems win 20 - 40 seats, picking up the hard core remain or nothing section of the vote.
Tories win 140 - 160 seats , getting decimated by the Brexit party that will not do a deal with them based on a 'clean break' exit from the EU, as we will have already left with a deal.

This next part is just the 'remainer' part of me and wishful thinking. One of the things Labour negotiate and agree with the EU in the withdrawal agreement is an option for the UK to rejoin the EU on the same terms as it currently has for up to 10 - 15 years. In their second term they implement this option and we rejoin the EU as full members again and pursue a genuine reform agenda re the EU, starting with passing UK laws that require any and all further moves towards a federal EU state and the reducing of national sovereignty to be subject to consent of the people via referendum.

So there you have it. You heard it here first. Am looking at the odds on Ladbrokes right now.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:24 pm

Oh and I forgot to mention Jonhson loses his seat to Labour as well.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:47 pm

Who was it that said

Yeh thanks Pyro, but I'm not putting my degrees up on a forum. That is just a totally ludicrous and vane thing to do.I did think about it for about 2 minutes, but there is no point at all. :roll:

I am not going to post my Part 161 ATPL either. Or my Operator proficiency Instrument rating. It's just a dangerous thing to do especially when you are getting vetted by Homeland for airside access.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:52 pm

Paphitis wrote: I also have 2 degrees from CAE Oxford in Human Factors and CRM.


Both of which I would guess say they are from 'xxx university' and not CAE Oxford. Customer relations management - yeah that sounds like 'aviation' to me lol. Or does CRM mean something else perhpas ?
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:18 am

Just went to place my bet on ladbrokes website that the Tories will get wiped out at the next GE, used my 'odds booster' and hit place bet and got a strange message saying 'please wait while your bet is referred to something or other' which I have never seen before and then a minute or so later it came back offering me the un boosted odds at a lower stake amount than I originally used. lol.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:20 am

erolz66 wrote:Predicting the future is a mugs game at the best of times. That can only be more so now in these unprecedented and volatile times. So here I go.

The bill gets royal assent on Monday and becomes law. Johnson goes to the EU council meeting on the 17th and fails to get a deal. He refuses to send the letter requesting an extension as the law of the land will require him to do. Labour then forms a minority government and sends the letter, after Johnson resigns or a vote of no confidence is won. They also tweak the TM deal a bit and the political deceleration more, with a political commitment to seek some form of continued participation in some form of customs union with the EU over the course of the 2 years transition period. They get this deal passed through parliament and we actually finally leave the EU in every legal sense but with the two year transition period to sort out the details and future trading relationship. They then call a GE. They win a majority, on the basis that for 'leavers', although the withdrawal bill is not optimal to maximum leaver demands, they will have delivered on the referendum result, in a matter of a couple months, way more than the Tories managed to do in 3 and half years. For remainers they will be seen as being the architects of saving us from a no deal crash out exit. The extreme leavers will scream and shout but the vast majority of the country will not care. We will be out of the EU. The details of our continued participation in a customs union will be 2 years away at least. The nightmare will be over and no significant majority of the 'people' will have the desire or will to continue it, over us being out of the EU but still in some form of customs union at some indistinct time in the future, apart from a few fanatics. Sterling will gain around 10%, people will be able to plan their holidays without uncertainty. All talk of medicine shortages, food shortages, 80 mile traffic jams at ports, job losses will disappear. Farrage and some others will scream and shout and most of the public will say 'meh'.

GE results

Labour win 320 - 400 seats
Lib Dems win 20 - 40 seats, picking up the hard core remain or nothing section of the vote.
Tories win 140 - 160 seats , getting decimated by the Brexit party that will not do a deal with them based on a 'clean break' exit from the EU, as we will have already left with a deal.

This next part is just the 'remainer' part of me and wishful thinking. One of the things Labour negotiate and agree with the EU in the withdrawal agreement is an option for the UK to rejoin the EU on the same terms as it currently has for up to 10 - 15 years. In their second term they implement this option and we rejoin the EU as full members again and pursue a genuine reform agenda re the EU, starting with passing UK laws that require any and all further moves towards a federal EU state and the reducing of national sovereignty to be subject to consent of the people via referendum.

So there you have it. You heard it here first. Am looking at the odds on Ladbrokes right now.

the main thing is brexit must stand against the tories.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:24 am

erolz66 wrote:Just went to place my bet on ladbrokes website that the Tories will get wiped out at the next GE, used my 'odds booster' and hit place bet and got a strange message saying 'please wait while your bet is referred to something or other' which I have never seen before and then a minute or so later it came back offering me the un boosted odds at a lower stake amount than I originally used. lol.

the betting companies have to know what is going to happen. otherwise they will get wiped out

salt anyone.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby erolz66 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:32 am

Lordo wrote:the main thing is brexit must stand against the tories.


If Labour can get a withdrawal bill passed before the GE then what is left for the Brexit party except to take it's revenge on the Tories ?
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:40 am

erolz66 wrote:
Lordo wrote:the main thing is brexit must stand against the tories.


If Labour can get a withdrawal bill passed before the GE then what is left for the Brexit party except to take it's revenge on the Tories ?

you never know these bastards. they may still have a pact to maximise their numbers or at least to reduce the damage to the tory numbers. i got a feeling it will make no difference once manchild comes back empty handed, all people who were hoping for a deal will lose hope and the no-dealers can vote for him till kingdom come. they will still be decimated.
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Re: Brexit: just a reminder

Postby Lordo » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:42 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:All that he graduated from is none other than Kangarooxford!! :lol:
Do not fall for the crap he posts. He is no more a pilot than I'm!!!


I am a pilot alright. That is my profession and I am very proud of my achievements and that is all the forum is getting from me. I will not post a dam thing to prove anything because you are an idiot and a clown!

And you are Coco boy who thought Boris wouldn't be PM.

My niece has one of them. She is an air stewardess !!! Her husband hower IS a pilot. Own up will you , Air ...Commodore!!


Really! I commend your niece for her achievement.

You are a disgraceful man for putting down your niece like that.

I've been flying since the age of 17. Not only do I hold an ATPL, but I am also a Grade 1 Flight Examiner as I was a Checkie under CASA Civil Aviation Regulation 247 for a previous employer and I have multiple type ratings for aircraft above 45 tonne. I also have 2 degrees from CAE Oxford in Human Factors and CRM.


listen asshole you want to tallk about yourself piss off and start your thread, this is about brexit
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