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[cyprusgrump]

You, bucket, and the vast majority of geriatrics and little Englanders, would rather see their country on its knees than be a part of Europe, you just hate Europeans especially the top dog , Germany. The fact that the pound has made some recovery on the hope that Brexit might not happen its indicative of how the financial world feels about Brexshit.

Nice one CoCo, a bit of original thought from you for a change!

Oh wait, not it isn't...

[miltiades]

So buckethead, are we coming out on October 31st ? You needn't tire your . Only brain cell answering, just say NO !!

[Kikapu]

The truth is, everyone misrepresented what brexit was going to be all about before the referendum and the truth is, we still don't know what brexit will be like, however, everyone is now acting in their own version of what brexit is going to be like and they are either trying to prevent it or make it happen by using every tool available to them, politically and legally. Only if everyone were more truthful in the begining, we may not be where we are today.

[cyprusgrump]

So buckethead, are we coming out on October 31st ? You needn't tire your . Only brain cell answering, just say NO !!

Oh I do hope so!

Dianne Abbot hasn't sung yet so there is still a chance... In fact I think there could be many twists and turns before October 31st...

It is certainly a fascinating time to be interested in politics! I think a wider public is taking an interest in what is going on too - it could have interesting consequences for the future of politics in the UK...

[erolz66]

It is amazing how you Remoaners try and re-write history!

Your 'model' of the world that divides every one in to a binary state of either 100% 'leaver' or 100 % 'remainer' is just not a model that can reflect reality. The universe is way more complex and wondrous than this simple model allows for. You are taking this false binary model, that does not and can not accurately reflect reality, and then you try to impose it on the universe as if it is some kind of reflection of reality. This 'process', this trying to impose on the universe a simple binary state that does not exist, is where most if not all of the conflict, polarisation and tribalisation comes from. It is what has led to the country and families tearing themselves apart over the issue. When you try and 'judge' the universe using a palette of only two 'shades' of opinion that are the extreme ends of a spectrum and deny there that there is a spectrum at all and that all that exists are these two binary states, then you end up where you and we are now. You can not understand me, my position, my identity and I yours using such a limited palette because it is not a reflection of the reality of how the world works but is in fact a false notion of reality that you then try and force on the universe. This is why you can not 'hear' anything I say or I anything you say. It is why we go round and round in circles, repeating the same things over and over. It the source of most if not all of the frustration we all experience in such discussions.

I've posted some videos here already, even David Cameron saying we negotiate for two years then Leave on WTO terms...

The most basic and common technique of propaganda is to distort by omission. You present partial 'evidence' and deny and ignore everything else. Again this is a function of trying to impose on the universe a binariness that simply does not exist in reality.

Leave means leaving the EU - it is a binary in or out thing...

Such attempts to impose a binariness on the universe, that does not and can not actually exist, is what leads to paradoxes like 'Turkey is in the customs union but not in the EU but if the UK were to be in the customs union only it would also still be in the EU'. The paradox is simply a result of trying to impose a false binariness on the universe. As soon as you accept the reality , that there is more than just the two position or states that exist, of 'in the EU' and 'not in the EU' but is in fact a spectrum and a matter of degrees, then all such paradoxes melt away and disappear like mist evaporating as the sun comes up.

imo.

[Lordo]

So buckethead, are we coming out on October 31st ? You needn't tire your . Only brain cell answering, just say NO !!

Oh I do hope so!

Dianne Abbot hasn't sung yet so there is still a chance... In fact I think there could be many twists and turns before October 31st...

It is certainly a fascinating time to be interested in politics! I think a wider public is taking an interest in what is going on too - it could have interesting consequences for the future of politics in the UK...

are you pinning your hopes on dianne abbot cocking things up.

my trust is manchild upsetting some of 5 million remainer swines ( tories) to refusing to vote for the spoilt brat and losing about 100 mps and they wil lthen see the error of their ways.

if you think may was bad manchild will perform a hell of a lot worse.
long may cummings remain
we gona need him now more than ever.

[Lordo]

The truth is, everyone misrepresented what brexit was going to be all about before the referendum and the truth is, we still don't know what brexit will be like, however, everyone is now acting in their own version of what brexit is going to be like and they are either trying to prevent it or make it happen by using every tool available to them, politically and legally. Only if everyone were more truthful in the begining, we may not be where we are today.

it is normal for government to work out consequences of a vote in a referendum to analyse and publish their findings before a vote takes place. this was not done before the vote. we had cameron who caused havoc in the country by implementing austerity on the people call for a no vote. and of course people would oppose him to show him their displeasure. why he did not join the brexiteers i wil never understand.
becasue there was no analysis done the brexiters calimed things like
1. we will take control - total bull as we know since the referendum the migration from eastern europe halved and yet the migration into uk has gone down. this says everything you need to know about migration

2. they claimed that making a deal would be very easy as well as it will be a better deal than when we were in - no need to explain this one

3. they claimed 350 million a week saving -well this was bull to it is more like 180 million a week and this figure ignores not millions but billions we save in the tax free trade

4. they calimed the problems were jobs and housing and hospital delays and such were becasue migrants - bull the problems were the cuts we suffered since 2010

5. they calimed migrants came here in got infront of the que for housing -absolute bull local authorities have their criteria on who and how to house people and your passport is not included in the decision making only your legality of being in the country

6. they ignored the good friday agreement and how if we bresited they stay part of republic

7. they ignored the fact that we can trade with anybody in the world using the eu wto schedules which we will lose as soon as we leave without a deal

8.they go on about how our unemployment rate is the lowest - yet another bull - they calculate the figures and include people who are on zero hour contracts as employed which is about 800k

9. they go on about how our economy being 6th strongest economy in the world but ignore the fact that half of that trade is with the eu and worse still they say it is worse for the eu despite the fact that we are only 18% of their trade.

10 worse still they specify the warnings remainers gave as being information for the public when they voted when they simply labeled all the warnings as project fear.

so no not everybody propogated lies.

they are still oblivious to the fact that if we leave on 1 november we will not even be able to use wto rules as all the scedules have to be re-applied for and all 164 members will have a say as to whether they accept and all 164 can object and already the proposals made to have been objected by usa brazil and new zealand and the rest have not even made any comments yet. it is not easy to look at proposals of 4500 product groups where each product group may have over a thousand product each.

they seem to make up things as they go along. they claimed the other day that they can just charge zero tarriffs for imports. well this ignores that the other countries will not recipricate becasue the whole point of applying tarriffs is to protects ones own industries.so while everybody else is protecting their industires we have allowed ours to be decimated.

so no i do not agree with your analysis that everybody lied.

and finally regarding the election date. can you imagine the balls on the son of the bithc who is trying to get an election before his visit to the eu on the 17th so he can continue with his myths. hell will freeze over. let him not obey parliment vote and not ask for an extension. his people voted him in because he claimed not getting a deal is a million to one. so lets see him go in 17th of october and get a deal. and of course when i say a deal i mean just to remove the backstop. how difficlut can it be. after all he says he already has the alternative arrangements and they can work in a very short time. if that is the case why does he need to remove the backstop the alternative arrangement will mean they are never going to be implemented.

i put my money with on
1- manchild coming back empty handed and being removed
2 - no confidence vote and repaled by corbyn.
3 - applying for an expention for about 6 months so we can have an election in early december, followed by a labour brexit deal followed by a confirmation vote to say people want it

problem solved. actually problem is already solved because at least may had a chance to get some laws through, he has none.

[Kikapu]

The truth is, everyone misrepresented what brexit was going to be all about before the referendum and the truth is, we still don't know what brexit will be like, however, everyone is now acting in their own version of what brexit is going to be like and they are either trying to prevent it or make it happen by using every tool available to them, politically and legally. Only if everyone were more truthful in the begining, we may not be where we are today.

it is normal for government to work out consequences of a vote in a referendum to analyse and publish their findings before a vote takes place. this was not done before the vote. we had cameron who caused havoc in the country by implementing austerity on the people call for a no vote. and of course people would oppose him to show him their displeasure. why he did not join the brexiteers i wil never understand.
becasue there was no analysis done the brexiters calimed things like
1. we will take control - total bull as we know since the referendum the migration from eastern europe halved and yet the migration into uk has gone down. this says everything you need to know about migration

2. they claimed that making a deal would be very easy as well as it will be a better deal than when we were in - no need to explain this one

3. they claimed 350 million a week saving -well this was bull to it is more like 180 million a week and this figure ignores not millions but billions we save in the tax free trade

4. they calimed the problems were jobs and housing and hospital delays and such were becasue migrants - bull the problems were the cuts we suffered since 2010

5. they calimed migrants came here in got infront of the que for housing -absolute bull local authorities have their criteria on who and how to house people and your passport is not included in the decision making only your legality of being in the country

6. they ignored the good friday agreement and how if we bresited they stay part of republic

7. they ignored the fact that we can trade with anybody in the world using the eu wto schedules which we will lose as soon as we leave without a deal

8.they go on about how our unemployment rate is the lowest - yet another bull - they calculate the figures and include people who are on zero hour contracts as employed which is about 800k

9. they go on about how our economy being 6th strongest economy in the world but ignore the fact that half of that trade is with the eu and worse still they say it is worse for the eu despite the fact that we are only 18% of their trade.

10 worse still they specify the warnings remainers gave as being information for the public when they voted when they simply labeled all the warnings as project fear.

so no not everybody propogated lies.

they are still oblivious to the fact that if we leave on 1 november we will not even be able to use wto rules as all the scedules have to be re-applied for and all 164 members will have a say as to whether they accept and all 164 can object and already the proposals made to have been objected by usa brazil and new zealand and the rest have not even made any comments yet. it is not easy to look at proposals of 4500 product groups where each product group may have over a thousand product each.

they seem to make up things as they go along. they claimed the other day that they can just charge zero tarriffs for imports. well this ignores that the other countries will not recipricate becasue the whole point of applying tarriffs is to protects ones own industries.so while everybody else is protecting their industires we have allowed ours to be decimated.

so no i do not agree with your analysis that everybody lied.

and finally regarding the election date. can you imagine the balls on the son of the bithc who is trying to get an election before his visit to the eu on the 17th so he can continue with his myths. hell will freeze over. let him not obey parliment vote and not ask for an extension. his people voted him in because he claimed not getting a deal is a million to one. so lets see him go in 17th of october and get a deal. and of course when i say a deal i mean just to remove the backstop. how difficlut can it be. after all he says he already has the alternative arrangements and they can work in a very short time. if that is the case why does he need to remove the backstop the alternative arrangement will mean they are never going to be implemented.

i put my money with on
1- manchild coming back empty handed and being removed
2 - no confidence vote and repaled by corbyn.
3 - applying for an expention for about 6 months so we can have an election in early december, followed by a labour brexit deal followed by a confirmation vote to say people want it

problem solved. actually problem is already solved because at least may had a chance to get some laws through, he has none.

I did not say everyone lied. I said everyone misrepresented what they thought Brexit was going to be all about, because no one really knew and we still do not know. There is a difference.

Other than the above, the rest of your points are valid.

I believe Cameron was a closet Brexiteer.

[Lordo]

The truth is, everyone misrepresented what brexit was going to be all about before the referendum and the truth is, we still don't know what brexit will be like, however, everyone is now acting in their own version of what brexit is going to be like and they are either trying to prevent it or make it happen by using every tool available to them, politically and legally. Only if everyone were more truthful in the begining, we may not be where we are today.

it is normal for government to work out consequences of a vote in a referendum to analyse and publish their findings before a vote takes place. this was not done before the vote. we had cameron who caused havoc in the country by implementing austerity on the people call for a no vote. and of course people would oppose him to show him their displeasure. why he did not join the brexiteers i wil never understand.
becasue there was no analysis done the brexiters calimed things like
1. we will take control - total bull as we know since the referendum the migration from eastern europe halved and yet the migration into uk has gone down. this says everything you need to know about migration

2. they claimed that making a deal would be very easy as well as it will be a better deal than when we were in - no need to explain this one

3. they claimed 350 million a week saving -well this was bull to it is more like 180 million a week and this figure ignores not millions but billions we save in the tax free trade

4. they calimed the problems were jobs and housing and hospital delays and such were becasue migrants - bull the problems were the cuts we suffered since 2010

5. they calimed migrants came here in got infront of the que for housing -absolute bull local authorities have their criteria on who and how to house people and your passport is not included in the decision making only your legality of being in the country

6. they ignored the good friday agreement and how if we bresited they stay part of republic

7. they ignored the fact that we can trade with anybody in the world using the eu wto schedules which we will lose as soon as we leave without a deal

8.they go on about how our unemployment rate is the lowest - yet another bull - they calculate the figures and include people who are on zero hour contracts as employed which is about 800k

9. they go on about how our economy being 6th strongest economy in the world but ignore the fact that half of that trade is with the eu and worse still they say it is worse for the eu despite the fact that we are only 18% of their trade.

10 worse still they specify the warnings remainers gave as being information for the public when they voted when they simply labeled all the warnings as project fear.

so no not everybody propogated lies.

they are still oblivious to the fact that if we leave on 1 november we will not even be able to use wto rules as all the scedules have to be re-applied for and all 164 members will have a say as to whether they accept and all 164 can object and already the proposals made to have been objected by usa brazil and new zealand and the rest have not even made any comments yet. it is not easy to look at proposals of 4500 product groups where each product group may have over a thousand product each.

they seem to make up things as they go along. they claimed the other day that they can just charge zero tarriffs for imports. well this ignores that the other countries will not recipricate becasue the whole point of applying tarriffs is to protects ones own industries.so while everybody else is protecting their industires we have allowed ours to be decimated.

so no i do not agree with your analysis that everybody lied.

and finally regarding the election date. can you imagine the balls on the son of the bithc who is trying to get an election before his visit to the eu on the 17th so he can continue with his myths. hell will freeze over. let him not obey parliment vote and not ask for an extension. his people voted him in because he claimed not getting a deal is a million to one. so lets see him go in 17th of october and get a deal. and of course when i say a deal i mean just to remove the backstop. how difficlut can it be. after all he says he already has the alternative arrangements and they can work in a very short time. if that is the case why does he need to remove the backstop the alternative arrangement will mean they are never going to be implemented.

i put my money with on
1- manchild coming back empty handed and being removed
2 - no confidence vote and repaled by corbyn.
3 - applying for an expention for about 6 months so we can have an election in early december, followed by a labour brexit deal followed by a confirmation vote to say people want it

problem solved. actually problem is already solved because at least may had a chance to get some laws through, he has none.

I did not say everyone lied. I said everyone misrepresented what they thought Brexit was going to be all about, because no one really knew and we still do not know. There is a difference.

Other than the above, the rest of your points are valid.

I believe Cameron was a closet Brexiteer.

i agree thanks for that.

this is the cause of shortages of council hoising. it is a stark statement. the reason millions of council housing were sold on the cheap and local authorities were blocked from building new ones. this situation was one year after thatcher went on a massive bribe to win votes and votes she won.

go on tell me it was migrants that caused the shortages.

[Pyrpolizer]

My point is, no one had a friggin clue what was to befall Greece and Cyprus or about the banking Collapse years ahead of time.

To say that anyone had any inkling of what was going to happen is just 100% utter deluded stupidity. No ne can ever predict the markets with 100% certainty and accuracy or calculate what the GDP will be worth in 15 years time.

that's the point!

I already told you that with missing data you cannot predict anything. Going around in circles is just a waste of time.

I already gave you a link to UK Govnt study titled "EU Exit Long-term economic analysis" that goes as deep as 2036
This study below goes upto 2050.
https://www.eiu.com/public/topical_repo ... tingTo2050
This study by Deloit goes upto 2024.
https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/insight ... lysis.html

Still not convinced that you know nothing about this science?
Your problem not mine.