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[erolz66]

Great post erolz66 you should drop in more often to add some quality to this miserable forum

Thanks for the kind words.

[miltiades]

Great post erolz66 you should drop in more often to add some quality to this miserable forum

Thanks for the kind words.

I have always admired Erolz not only for his intelligence but his wisdom too.
Im proud to have him as my Cypriot / British compatriot.

[erolz66]

Great post erolz66 you should drop in more often to add some quality to this miserable forum

Thanks for the kind words.

I have always admired Erolz not only for his intelligence but his wisdom too.
Im proud to have him as my Cypriot / British compatriot.

Again I can only thank you for the kind words.

[cyprusgrump]

As I said earlier, 'no deal' has been invented by Remoaners like yourself after the Referendum. Prior to the Referendum Remoaners were telling us how terrible it would be to leave all the institutions of the EU in the event of a Leave vote.

And as I also said earlier, it isn't 'no deal' in any case, there are already many deals in place to take care of things when we leave - like allowing the planes to fly (another Project Fear storyline) and Irish border arrangements...

An In/Out referendum was the only method by which the European question would ever be decided, because it is indeed a binary choice. Lots of adjacent issues, but the core issue – do we want to be part of this experiment in dissolving the nation state and become part of a Federal European Superstate – is just as binary as the gender spectrum.

PS You can call me what you like - Remoaners have been insulting Brexit voters for over three years - it really is water off a duck's back.

Still you haven't pointed me the line I asked for.
Thank God I am not British to be called Remoaner or Brexshitter, I am actually a Cypriot who would be delighted if Britain leaves the EU.
Regardless I support the position it's not the right thing for Britain to do...

Back to the issue: Imo both sides took advantage of the vagueness of the referendum. I don't agree it's a binary issue.
Staying in the EU is a singular choice however leaving the EU has multiple options.
Imo both sides knew this weakness and let it go on purpose. The Remainers to eventually claim that "in no way the people who voted to leave, voted to leave with no deal"- I heard someone from the British Parliament saying that. And the hard Brexiters on the other hand to claim that the people who voted to leave meant it to be with or without deal and wouldn't mind if it was without deal.
The truth is there's no way for anyone to find out.
That's why imo the only way out it to have a new updated referendum. with the following questionnaire
a)Remain B) Leave
In this referendum there should be an additional questions with 2 options which regardless of anyone's A or B choice should also answer
If the majority of the vote is in favor of Leaving what would you chose?
1) Leaving with No deal 2) leaving with Deal XYZ as published at dd.mm.yyyy

Of course not, as I said, it is a post Referenbdum invention of Remoaners...

Would you settle for David Cameron saying, "You have two years to negotiate and then you are out on WTO terms"...?

[cyprusgrump]

[Pyrpolizer]

Hilarious!

One of your top politicians saying "leaving the EU means leaving the single market" and the other saying "you have 2 years to negotiate and then you are out on WTO terms"

Did you really expect the average Joe in the street who voted "Leave" to be less ignorant and confused than your top politicians, because presumably s/he was so well informed from the media, his local pub, his friends and the...posted leaflet ?

[cyprusgrump]

Hilarious!

One of your top politicians saying "leaving the EU means leaving the single market" and the other saying "you have 2 years to negotiate and then you are out on WTO terms"

Did you really expect the average Joe in the street who voted "Leave" to be less ignorant and confused than your top politicians, because presumably s/he was so well informed from the media, his local pub, his friends and the...posted leaflet ?

One of them...?

You didn't watch it did you...?

That is the problem with you Remoaners, you regurgitate the same old shite time and time again but don't even bother watching the video when the alternative viewpoint is shown...

...or perhaps you did watch it but realised it completely destroyed your argument that nobody knew what they were voting for and have just tried to discredit it...

Whac-a-Mole springs to mind!

[erolz66]

TM red lines and deal were based on not staying in the customs union or the single market, which is what then required the backstop. Leaving with a deal but not remaining in the customs union or the single market is not the same thing as leaving without any deal at all. It seems to me you are conflating the two things ? What Parliament has blocked is leaving without any comprehensive deal / agreement with the EU. It has not passed any laws that mandate staying in the customs union or the single market ?

[erolz66]

there is one way manchild can try to win the vote to hold an election and that is if he asks for a no-confidence vote on himself which will require only one vote majority to implement. i wouldn,t put it past him to do such a thing.

can you imagine a pm saying i have no confidence in myself and demand an election. yep manchild is capable of such stupidity.

If Labour were to refuse to support an election on 15th even with this bill on the statue books the SNP would support a bill that mandated such an election that would override the fix term parliament act. So as amusing as the idea of a government calling for a vote of no confidence in itself is , such is not necessary it seems to me. In reality I do not think k Labour can or will oppose an election on 15th once the current bill is law in any case.

I do need to revise my opinion on this somewhat. There is a reason why Johnson calling for a vote of no confidence in himself and whipping his MP's to support such might be a more attractive option to try and get the GE he wants vs a simple bill to over ride the fix term parliament act. Such a bill would be potentially amendable by the opposition if they had sufficient support. They could potentially amend the date of the GE laid out in the bill by government and even more extreme they could seek to amend it such that it allowed voting by 16 and 17 year olds. A vote of no confidence in himself avoids these issues of potential amendments. So maybe calling a vote of no confidence in himself might be a more attractive option for Johnson given the position he is in right now, with an effective working majority of -22 seats.

[Kikapu]

Can someone explain what would happen, if they know, a scenario where we arrive at October 31st and BJ is still the PM without a new GE and he does not ask for an extension on article 50 from the EU despite the passage of the no deal Brexit becoming law?

If this were to be a chess game, it would be stalemate where no one wins and no one loses, so what happens then to article 50 and the deadline?