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[Lordo]

the important thing here is when to have the election. after all the manchild has claimed he is progressing with his negotiations despite the fact that there is no evidence for such a claim and he has chosen to shut down parliament during these vital weeks for 5 weeks to push for a deal. this says he is sitting on his hands and has no intention of any deal other then running down the time left to fall out of the eu by default. this is abuse of power of the worst kind and now that his majority has gone even if most of his mps come back enough will stay away to make sure he is caged. i said i prefer manchild to be leader of the tories becasue he will achive least and this has been beyond my expectations, he has actually caged himself up and wil be unable to implement a single thing unless jc agrees. so in a way jc is already in power.

there is one way manchild can try to win the vote to hold an election and that is if he asks for a no-confidence vote on himself which will require only one vote majority to implement. i wouldn,t put it past him to do such a thing.

can you imagine a pm saying i have no confidence in myself and demand an election. yep manchild is capable of such stupidity.

[erolz66]

Cyprusgrump there is no binary in or out of the EU. There is only degrees to which a given country is or is not in the EU. You insisting that being out is a singular binary state as you personally define it does not change the reality of how the universe works and can only lead to frustration on your part.

[Lordo]

Utter bollox as has been pointed out on here dozens of times before...

I've posted the video on numerous occasions of leavers and remainers pointing out what 'Leave' would mean...

You’ve fallen for the ‘re-framing’ process that the usual suspects indulge in when they want to bamboozle people. There’s no such thing as a ‘Hard Brexit’. Its Remainer code for ‘Leaving the EU’. They’ve renamed ‘Leaving’ as ‘Hard Brexit’, and are now telling you that ‘Leaving’ should mean lots of things that strangely enough seem a lot like stay in the EU.

All the way through the referendum they were telling us that voting to Leave meant exactly what they now term a Hard Brexit – no Single Market access, not being the Customs Union, no free trade deal. This was because at the time they were trying to scare people to stay in the EU. But people voted to Leave anyway.

Having lost the vote, they changed their tune, suddenly Leaving actually meant lots of other things that coincidentally seemed very like staying in the EU – being in the Single Market, accepting EU laws and the ECJ, being in the Customs union. And the thing that they had just months previously defined as ‘Leaving the EU’ was some terrible thing that the ‘Far Right’ was trying to ‘impose’ on the UK.

What do you mean they were telling ALL you people?

There are millions of British people who are not watching the news or the debates who voted to leave knowing it would happen 2 years later after negotiating the terms. Those people just trusted the Government would get them out with some sort of an agreement which would be acceptable to them anyway.
Therefore what YOU personally expected from voting to Leave was not the same as what everybody who voted to leave.
To be the same then the voting slip should clearly write "Leave the EU with or without a deal".
Hence the referendum question was not clear and it just stole the vote of a number of unsuspected citizens, and should be declared invalid.

Can you deny the fact that a certain number of those who voted to leave wouldn't do it if they knew it would be without deal?

Good grief...

The government sent a brochure to every single household in the country (cost £9M if I remember rightly) explaining what Leave meant and recommending Remain...

I've reproduced the last page below.

You Remoaners can't seriously still be claiming that there were millions of of people that didn't watch the news, had no access to the Internet, didn't discuss Brexit down the pub or with their family and who had their letter box nailed shut so they didn't get the government brochure?

nobody disagrees what what cameron said or the rest of the remainers have said. what you are ignoring is what brexiteers said.
they claimed that a deal with the eu will be very easy after referendum vote. they:
said we will have a better deal outside the eu and in.
said we would save 359 million a week and ignored the payments back to uk from the eu
also ignored how much tax we would pay for all our imports in a wto situation
aslo ignored how much our exports will be taxed which will put a lot of manufacturers and framers out of business

face reality.

[cyprusgrump]

IRELAND’S COVENEY PROMISES CHECKS “SOMEWHERE AWAY FROM THE BORDER”

Oh look, we Brexiteers were right all along!

Brexiteers will feel vindicated after Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister, Simon Coveney has voiced what Guido reported back in July, that the Irish Government is planning for checks away from the border, ensuring it remains soft. He told a business event that checks would be introduced “somewhere away from the Border”:

“We recognise the reality that Ireland will have a responsibility to protect its own place in the single market. That will involve some checks. But I can assure you we will try to do that in a way that limits the risk. And we will try and do it away from the Border.”

Coveney said that his Government would have to introduce checks on the Irish side of the border, but not on the border itself. He also said it will be up to the British whether it wanted to place checks on goods on the Northern Irish side of the border.

The Irish Government accepting that the border may remain soft in the event of a No Deal, accepting what Eurosceptics have been saying for months does beg the question: If they can institute checks away from the border in the event of No Deal, why not in the event of a backstopectomied deal..?

[erolz66]

there is one way manchild can try to win the vote to hold an election and that is if he asks for a no-confidence vote on himself which will require only one vote majority to implement. i wouldn,t put it past him to do such a thing.

can you imagine a pm saying i have no confidence in myself and demand an election. yep manchild is capable of such stupidity.

If Labour were to refuse to support an election on 15th even with this bill on the statue books the SNP would support a bill that mandated such an election that would override the fix term parliament act. So as amusing as the idea of a government calling for a vote of no confidence in itself is , such is not necessary it seems to me. In reality I do not think k Labour can or will oppose an election on 15th once the current bill is law in any case.

[erolz66]

IRELAND’S COVENEY PROMISES CHECKS “SOMEWHERE AWAY FROM THE BORDER”

Oh look, we Brexiteers were right all along!

Of course they will TRY to ensure that they can maintain the integrity of the customs union without having to increase the hardness of the border between the RoI and NI. That does not change the fact that no one knows if this will turn out to be possible or not in practice and to what degree. The backstop is there in case such efforts are unable to achieve this.

[Lordo]

there is one way manchild can try to win the vote to hold an election and that is if he asks for a no-confidence vote on himself which will require only one vote majority to implement. i wouldn,t put it past him to do such a thing.

can you imagine a pm saying i have no confidence in myself and demand an election. yep manchild is capable of such stupidity.

If Labour were to refuse to support an election on 15th even with this bill on the statue books the SNP would support a bill that mandated such an election that would override the fix term parliament act. So as amusing as the idea of a government calling for a vote of no confidence in itself is , such is not necessary it seems to me. In reality I do not think k Labour can or will oppose an election on 15th once the current bill is law in any case.

labour must refuse the election on the 15th of october because manchild will continue with his lies that he is close to a deal when he is not. the election must be after he returns from the eu to see what he has got. it is the only way to zip this liars mouth. why do you suppose he has asked for before 17th of october?

there is another issue that even if the mps vote for the elction to take place on the 15th pf october the pm is legally allowed to change the date to be after 31st of october. currently we do not have the bill through as yet and will pass through the lords late friday. manchild said yesterday that he would not ask the queen to sign this bill. with parliament being shut down on monday unless the queen has signed the bill, the bill will be lost.

can you trust this manchild to do anything he says.

[cyprusgrump]

there is one way manchild can try to win the vote to hold an election and that is if he asks for a no-confidence vote on himself which will require only one vote majority to implement. i wouldn,t put it past him to do such a thing.

can you imagine a pm saying i have no confidence in myself and demand an election. yep manchild is capable of such stupidity.

If Labour were to refuse to support an election on 15th even with this bill on the statue books the SNP would support a bill that mandated such an election that would override the fix term parliament act. So as amusing as the idea of a government calling for a vote of no confidence in itself is , such is not necessary it seems to me. In reality I do not think k Labour can or will oppose an election on 15th once the current bill is law in any case.

labour must refuse the election on the 15th of october because manchild will continue with his lies that he is close to a deal when he is not. the election must be after he returns from the eu to see what he has got. it is the only way to zip this liars mouth. why do you suppose he has asked for before 17th of october?

there is another issue that even if the mps vote for the elction to take place on the 15th pf october the pm is legally allowed to change the date to be after 31st of october. currently we do not have the bill through as yet and will pass through the lords late friday. manchild said yesterday that he would not ask the queen to sign this bill. with parliament being shut down on monday unless the queen has signed the bill, the bill will be lost.

can you trust this manchild to do anything he says.

[erolz66]

The narrative that Labour are scared of a GE is not one I think will have any traction other than with 'fan boys'. Once the bill blocking default no deal exit on 31st is on the books then Labour will support a GE and this I think is clear to anyone not playing games.

[Lordo]

long may he continue. what a performance it was too which led to mps complaining of manchild mumbling.