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[cyprusgrump]

It has just been announced that the government has abandoned its efforts to delay the bill over a no deal Brexit at the house of Lords and the bill is likely to become law by next week.
Brexit will not happen on October 31st without a deal approved by the House.

Is that another of your famous political predictions CoCo...?

Now here is my prediction. Boris has a much chance of entering number 10 as I have. Jeremy Hunt will be the next PM

[Pyrpolizer]

Utter bollox as has been pointed out on here dozens of times before...

I've posted the video on numerous occasions of leavers and remainers pointing out what 'Leave' would mean...

You’ve fallen for the ‘re-framing’ process that the usual suspects indulge in when they want to bamboozle people. There’s no such thing as a ‘Hard Brexit’. Its Remainer code for ‘Leaving the EU’. They’ve renamed ‘Leaving’ as ‘Hard Brexit’, and are now telling you that ‘Leaving’ should mean lots of things that strangely enough seem a lot like stay in the EU.

All the way through the referendum they were telling us that voting to Leave meant exactly what they now term a Hard Brexit – no Single Market access, not being the Customs Union, no free trade deal. This was because at the time they were trying to scare people to stay in the EU. But people voted to Leave anyway.

Having lost the vote, they changed their tune, suddenly Leaving actually meant lots of other things that coincidentally seemed very like staying in the EU – being in the Single Market, accepting EU laws and the ECJ, being in the Customs union. And the thing that they had just months previously defined as ‘Leaving the EU’ was some terrible thing that the ‘Far Right’ was trying to ‘impose’ on the UK.

What do you mean they were telling ALL you people?

There are millions of British people who are not watching the news or the debates who voted to leave knowing it would happen 2 years later after negotiating the terms. Those people just trusted the Government would get them out with some sort of an agreement which would be acceptable to them anyway.
Therefore what YOU personally expected from voting to Leave was not the same as what everybody who voted to leave.
To be the same then the voting slip should clearly write "Leave the EU with or without a deal".
Hence the referendum question was not clear and it just stole the vote of a number of unsuspected citizens, and should be declared invalid.

Can you deny the fact that a certain number of those who voted to leave wouldn't do it if they knew it would be without deal?

[erolz66]

You’ve fallen for the ‘re-framing’ process that the usual suspects indulge in when they want to bamboozle people. There’s no such thing as a ‘Hard Brexit’. Its Remainer code for ‘Leaving the EU’. They’ve renamed ‘Leaving’ as ‘Hard Brexit’, and are now telling you that ‘Leaving’ should mean lots of things that strangely enough seem a lot like stay in the EU.

The reality is there is no binary state of being in or out of the EU. There is only degrees. Is Switzerland in the EU ? Yes to a degree it is and to a degree it is not. Norway ? Turkey ? The same applies. To a degree they are in the EU and to a degree they are not. I myself fell in to this trap of thinking that a given country must either be in the EU or not in some kind of binary fashion. I have come to realise that the universe just does not work in such a binary fashion. The problem is presenting reality as being binary when it is not and this is something you are doing Cyprusgrump just as much as those you lambaste for also doing so. The referendum question, if you really care about understanding what it is a majority actually want, should have been to what degree should the UK leave the EU. You would clearly vote 100% in such a referendum but the chances are that not every one who voted leave in the actual referendum would also vote 100% if given the ability to accurately express their real desires / preferance.

[erolz66]

Is that another of your famous political predictions CoCo...?

Check the news.

[miltiades]

It has just been announced that the government has abandoned its efforts to delay the bill over a no deal Brexit at the house of Lords and the bill is likely to become law by next week.
Brexit will not happen on October 31st without a deal approved by the House.

Is that another of your famous political predictions CoCo...?

Now here is my prediction. Boris has a much chance of entering number 10 as I have. Jeremy Hunt will be the next PM

Hi Stupid, still have that bucket blocking thr passage of air to your one and only one brain cell?
By the way, we WILL still be in the EU come November 1st . Your hero
, Boris the Clown has as yet to score in the Houses of Parliament. You should be richer today? Madam Sterling has taken off !!
Still I doubt if you and most other losers can work it out.
Long live the GREATEST UNION OF NATIONS IN WORLD HISTORY.

[erolz66]

By the way, we WILL still be in the EU come November 1st .

Not necessarily as I see it. If there is an election on 15th October that returns a Tory majority it is possible we will leave on 31st October.

[miltiades]

As the bill excluding Brexit without a deal looks as if it will become law, the winning party will first have to negotiate a new deal, highly unlikely in my opinion, therefore we can not come out unless the governments repeals the No deal Brexit Bill.

[cyprusgrump]

Utter bollox as has been pointed out on here dozens of times before...

I've posted the video on numerous occasions of leavers and remainers pointing out what 'Leave' would mean...

You’ve fallen for the ‘re-framing’ process that the usual suspects indulge in when they want to bamboozle people. There’s no such thing as a ‘Hard Brexit’. Its Remainer code for ‘Leaving the EU’. They’ve renamed ‘Leaving’ as ‘Hard Brexit’, and are now telling you that ‘Leaving’ should mean lots of things that strangely enough seem a lot like stay in the EU.

All the way through the referendum they were telling us that voting to Leave meant exactly what they now term a Hard Brexit – no Single Market access, not being the Customs Union, no free trade deal. This was because at the time they were trying to scare people to stay in the EU. But people voted to Leave anyway.

Having lost the vote, they changed their tune, suddenly Leaving actually meant lots of other things that coincidentally seemed very like staying in the EU – being in the Single Market, accepting EU laws and the ECJ, being in the Customs union. And the thing that they had just months previously defined as ‘Leaving the EU’ was some terrible thing that the ‘Far Right’ was trying to ‘impose’ on the UK.

What do you mean they were telling ALL you people?

There are millions of British people who are not watching the news or the debates who voted to leave knowing it would happen 2 years later after negotiating the terms. Those people just trusted the Government would get them out with some sort of an agreement which would be acceptable to them anyway.
Therefore what YOU personally expected from voting to Leave was not the same as what everybody who voted to leave.
To be the same then the voting slip should clearly write "Leave the EU with or without a deal".
Hence the referendum question was not clear and it just stole the vote of a number of unsuspected citizens, and should be declared invalid.

Can you deny the fact that a certain number of those who voted to leave wouldn't do it if they knew it would be without deal?

Good grief...

The government sent a brochure to every single household in the country (cost £9M if I remember rightly) explaining what Leave meant and recommending Remain...

I've reproduced the last page below.

You Remoaners can't seriously still be claiming that there were millions of of people that didn't watch the news, had no access to the Internet, didn't discuss Brexit down the pub or with their family and who had their letter box nailed shut so they didn't get the government brochure?

[cyprusgrump]

As the bill excluding Brexit without a deal looks as if it will become law, the winning party will first have to negotiate a new deal, highly unlikely in my opinion, therefore we can not come out unless the governments repeals the No deal Brexit Bill.

Careful CoCo, the Interwebz remember everything you type!

[erolz66]

As the bill excluding Brexit without a deal looks as if it will become law, the winning party will first have to negotiate a new deal, highly unlikely in my opinion, therefore we can not come out unless the governments repeals the No deal Brexit Bill.

If the Tories go into the election on a manifesto of leaving on 31st with or without a deal and win a workable majority then repealing this law is exactly what they can and should do.