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[erolz66]

I also have 3 certificates from ....

If you have a degree in aviation from CAE Oxford, then why not just post a scan of it here ? In the absence of such evidence and based on what I could find out with a little research, I still call BS.

Yes, CAE did also have a collaboration with Oxford in the pass through the Oxford Aviation Academy.

Provide some evidence that your claim is true, other than just repeating it and there is a good chance I will accept the truth of it. In the absence of any such evidence I still call BS.

Why don't you post your driver's licence here!

Don't be stupid. I can't do that. I'm not going to give out my identity to you.

But quite happy to let either Boomerang see it or Londonrake and you can take there word for it.

You can easily redact out anything that is personal to you. I personally do not hide my real life identity here nor do I fear doing so but Here is my driving licence with the surname redacted , just to show how easy it is to do so.

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[Paphitis]

Getting an ATPL is different. You can get an ATPL through many private providers or if you are real good you can even self study, do the exams and get an ATPL. That does not entitle you to a degree.

Just sounds like nonsense to me from where I am sitting. It seems you are claiming that because gaining ATPL is part of a given degree course in aviation from Swinburne that therefore anyone who gains a ATPL has a 'degree in aviation'. Like I say just sound like nonsense to me. A pilots licensee is a pilots license. A degree in aviation is a degree in aviation. If they were the same singular thing then they would be described by the same singular classification.

Doing it however through CAE or one of its affiliates like Swinburne, Queensland Aviation Academy, Phoenix Aviation Academy or Oxford Aviation Academy (Oxford University) entitles you to get a degree if you pass their exams which go over and beyond the ATPL. In theory, you have the knowledge to pass the ATPLs as well and this is what these courses are designed to achieve.

BTW, the failure rate on ATPL exams is about 98%. They are not easy exams. It takes about 3 years of study.

These are the hardest exams I ever had to do in my life. And back in the day when I did it, there was a morse code requirement and you had to pass every unit in 2 days.

The exams were over 2 days of 6 hours worth of exams on each day.

Today, there is no morse requirement you can sit one subject at a time. That gets you an ATPL which is really what is required. It doesn't get you a degree unless you go through the Swinburne/CAE Route.

[Paphitis]

I also have 3 certificates from ....

If you have a degree in aviation from CAE Oxford, then why not just post a scan of it here ? In the absence of such evidence and based on what I could find out with a little research, I still call BS.

Yes, CAE did also have a collaboration with Oxford in the pass through the Oxford Aviation Academy.

Provide some evidence that your claim is true, other than just repeating it and there is a good chance I will accept the truth of it. In the absence of any such evidence I still call BS.

Why don't you post your driver's licence here!

Don't be stupid. I can't do that. I'm not going to give out my identity to you.

But quite happy to let either Boomerang see it or Londonrake and you can take there word for it.

You can easily redact out anything that is personal to you. I personally do not hide my real life identity here nor do I fear doing so but Here is my driving licence with the surname redacted , just to show how easy it is to do so.

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You are a very silly man doing that on the internet. Your Driver's Licence number is there for the world to see. Might as well now post your address and fingerprints.

I am sorry but I can't afford to be doing such stupid things.

I have applied for a US TSA card and I am not playing games with my livelihood. I got an Australian ASIC card but the Americans are a completely different kettle of fish.if the Americans find out you smoked some wacky tobaccy, when you were young, you're gonnas. Whereas the Poms and Aussies are much more laid back with these things.

BTW, I tried to blank out stuff but the copy I have on my laptop is in PDF format.

[erolz66]

.... Oxford Aviation Academy (Oxford University) entitles you to get a degree if you pass their exams which go over and beyond the ATPL.

To just keep repeating that CAE Oxford (formerly know as Oxford Aviation Academy) is Oxford University, without providing a single piece of evidence that this is true, does nothing to convince me that my guess you are BSing is wrong. If you gain an ATPL from CAE Oxford (Oxford Aviation Academy) then you have an ATP licence. You do not have a 'degree in aviation'. This is not rocket science. CAE Oxford (Oxford Aviation Academy) do NOT offer aviation degree courses. Just go to their website and you can see the truth of this. Nor have I been able to find ANY evidence that would support your claim that CAE Oxford or Oxford Aviation Academy were EVER part of Oxford University.

[Pyrpolizer]

For all these economists know, the globe could go into deep recession in 15 years time or total depression. No friggin economist was ever clever enough to predict the Great Depression, yet they are predicting the British GDP in 15 years time.

Of course they can predict things upto 15 years because they specialize on macroeconomics (meaning long term economics). Didn't they teach you anything at "Oxford" about macroeconomics? In fact the 2nd link I gave you, goes as deep as 2035-2036.
If I were you I'd rather shiver on the short term impact. I mean if the long term impact would be -7.6% imagine what it would be during the first year. And it's not the only study available. There are at least 10 more credible studies (links given in the document)

The document on page 80 says:

Other studies allow for a wider range of trade impact channels, including at least one of productivity, foreign direct investment or capital accumulation. These studies (“dynamic” models) find results lying between -4.6 per cent and -18.0 per cent.

[Paphitis]

This is how an ATPL works.

I could be flying US registered aircraft. Under FAA rules, in order to fly US aircraft you need the FAA ATPL. I don't have that. I have an Australian, Hong Kong and Canadian ATPL.

The good thing is, the US FAA recognize the Canadian, Hong Kong and Australian ATPL. So I get credits for all units excpept for 1 - Air Law.

So the FAA requirements on me are that I sit the FAA Air Law exam and undergo an FAA Flight Test/Examination.

If I go to the US, my employer will enroll me in a course to pass the FAA Air law exam. I have 90 days to do that.

They also will conduct my Flight Test because they have approval to do this under an FAA regulatory instrument similar to what exists under other regulatory frameworks (Civil Aviation Regulation 247 in Australia). In the USA there is a similar instrument under the US Federal Aviation Regulations. I don't know the number. I will find out when I do my course.

But getting a US ATPL does not entitle me to a degree.

[erolz66]

BTW, I tried to blank out stuff but the copy I have on my laptop is in PDF format.

If you are using a windows based machine just get the pdf open on screen , type 'snip' into the search bar and use the snip tool to mark out an area on the pdf that you want to save as jpg. Then edit the jpg. Easy. Or do not. However if you expect me to believe that you have a degree in aviation from CAE Oxford, that was part of Oxford university when you gained such, just based on the claims you have made so far, then you must indeed think I am a 'very silly man'. I think currently on the information I have so far, that you are just BSing.

[Paphitis]

For all these economists know, the globe could go into deep recession in 15 years time or total depression. No friggin economist was ever clever enough to predict the Great Depression, yet they are predicting the British GDP in 15 years time.

Of course they can predict things upto 15 years because they specialize on macroeconomics (meaning long term economics). Didn't they teach you anything at "Oxford" about macroeconomics? In fact the 2nd link I gave you, goes as deep as 2035-2036.
If I were you I'd rather shiver on the short term impact. I mean if the long term impact would be -7.6% imagine what it would be during the first year. And it's not the only study available. There are at least 10 more credible studies (links given in the document)

The document on page 80 says:

Other studies allow for a wider range of trade impact channels, including at least one of productivity, foreign direct investment or capital accumulation. These studies (“dynamic” models) find results lying between -4.6 per cent and -18.0 per cent.

Geez Pyro.

If they can predict what can happen in 15 years time, then these people are so stupid for staying where they are.

They should resign and predict what is going to happen on the Furtures Markets and Stock Exchanges and make some serious money. I mean if they are able to predict the British GDP in 15 years time with such accuracy, then predicting share p[rices should be a doddle for them too. Please point me to the direction of such a wizard and I promise I will quit my job immediately.

No I don't know much about economics, just some basics. And I seriously doubt Oxford will ever tell any of their students they will be able to predict any such things at all. It's completely laughable like its laughable that Meteorologists are able to predict weather patterns in 15 years time or by the amount of global warming temperature increases that will take place.

Varoufakis is an economist and a revered expert. How come he never was able to predict Greece's plight? he should have gone to Greece way before the crisis and saved them. Why didn't the Government of Greece not know their GDP will fall by 30%?

Why didn't the Cyprus Government know their GDP will fall?

[erolz66]

But getting a US ATPL does not entitle me to a degree.

Getting a ATPL from anyone, anywhere does not mean you have a 'degree in aviation'. This is what I have been saying all along. CAE Oxford offer courses to gain an ATPL. They do not offer courses to gain a 'degree in aviation'. Which is why your claim to have such a degree from CAE Oxford just smells like BS to me. As does the claim that CAE Oxford or as it was previously know, Oxford Aviation Academy, is or ever was part of Oxford university. I could be wrong but only actual evidence will convince me that I am wrong. You just repeating the same claims over and over without providing any evidence to support your claims, for me, just leads me to think the chance that you are just talking BS is higher, not lower.

[Pyrpolizer]

I call BS in the absence of any evidence what so ever other than your personal claim..

This is somewhat unfair. It is very possible degrees existed back then that don't now.

I graduated with my first degree in 1984. I tried to look it up recently (as I needed transcripts of the courses I did), and it does not exist anymore, in fact the University changed names and hands. So it is possible that degrees can come and go.

When I tried to get confirmation recently from my old college that I attended there and did my A levels, they couldn't even find me in the system!!!!

So Paphiti could be correct in what he is saying, you are just rubbishing him to score some brownie points.

Just show me one recognized University anywhere in the world that offers a Bachelor of Science degree in piloting.
Reminds me of my wife's hairdresser who says she got her diploma from a University in England.
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