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[Paphitis]

That's wishful thinking from dreamers Paphitis based on WTO procedures that apply when 2 parties want to establish or join a free trade area.
in that case it's quite logical to have an interim period from 2-10 years of zero or lower tariffs (as is the case of every country that applies to join the EU.
What makes you think the EU will even want to establish a free trade area with Britain after it leaves ??
No way mate.. sorry.

They DO want to join the Free Trade. Both Britain and the EU are determined to have a Free Trade Deal.

That has NEVER been an issue at all and the EU have already offered that up. The only sticking point is the Irish Border. The EU are using this to scuttle the process.

Britain and the EU will definitely have a Free Trade deal like Norway, Switzerland, and Canada and like the one Australia and the USA are working towards and in the meantime it is likely they will trade under Article 24 WTO standards until this agreement is penned. That of course is subject to EU approval which is a foregone conclusion because the won't risk a down turn or reduction in trade either.

I believe that Australia and USA are already trading under Article 24 meaning that they are well on the way to a complete Free Trade Deal with the EU.

I know the Australian Government mentioned it and it also mentioned they have already begun negotiations with the UK in order to get a FTD with the UK since it is leaving the EU and will not be covered by the Australian/EU FTD.

So everything is already underway in the background.

It is disingenuous to say there will be chaos after BREXIT.

[Pyrpolizer]

That's wishful thinking from dreamers Paphitis based on WTO procedures that apply when 2 parties want to establish or join a free trade area.
in that case it's quite logical to have an interim period from 2-10 years of zero or lower tariffs (as is the case of every country that applies to join the EU.
What makes you think the EU will even want to establish a free trade area with Britain after it leaves ??
No way mate.. sorry.

They DO want to join the Free Trade. Both Britain and the EU are determined to have a Free Trade Deal.

That has NEVER been an issue at all and the EU have already offered that up. The only sticking point is the Irish Border. The EU are using this to scuttle the process.

Britain and the EU will definitely have a Free Trade deal like Norway, Switzerland, and Canada and like the one Australia and the USA are working towards and in the meantime it is likely they will trade under Article 24 WTO standards until this agreement is penned. That of course is subject to EU approval which is a foregone conclusion because the won't risk a down turn or reduction in trade either.

I believe that Australia and USA are already trading under Article 24 meaning that they are well on the way to a complete Free Trade Deal with the EU.

I know the Australian Government mentioned it and it also mentioned they have already begun negotiations with the UK in order to get a FTD with the UK since it is leaving the EU and will not be covered by the Australian/EU FTD.

So everything is already underway in the background.

It is disingenuous to say there will be chaos after BREXIT.

It's not only the backstop.
You should probably learn under what terms the EU offered Theresa May a free trade agreement. It's full of strings plus an estimated 40 billion charge which includes past obligations plus costs for the transitional period upto July 2020. Not as "free" as you think.
Similar arrangements exist with Norway, so don't be so sure the EU will offer anything to Britain as "free" as you think.

[Lordo]

there are some people that should not have access to the internet

Norway has full access to the single market, and very limited barriers to trade with the EU.
In return it makes substantial contributions to the EU budget, and has to follow most EU rules and laws. ...
Norway is not part of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) or the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP)

why the fak would eu give us a free trade deal , whats the matter with the brexiteers, oh i know they have no fakin brians. the scull cavity is empty.

[Kikapu]

there are some people that should not have access to the internet

Norway has full access to the single market, and very limited barriers to trade with the EU.
In return it makes substantial contributions to the EU budget, and has to follow most EU rules and laws. ...
Norway is not part of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) or the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP)

why the fak would eu give us a free trade deal , whats the matter with the brexiteers, oh i know they have no fakin brians. the scull cavity is empty.

Switzerland is also in the single market with the EU which the 4 freedoms apply, and they are part of the Schengen but not an EU member state. UK wanted to be in the single market with the EU after Brexit, but did not want the 4 freedoms and the EU said, “no way, José”.

[Lordo]

actually switzerland declared before the brexit vote we had that they would remove the freedom of movement for the eu citizens and eu warned her that if she does the free trade agremment will be cancelled. so like a good fellow they saw the error of their ways and did not remove fredom of movement. tand yet the brexiteers were claiming before the referendum that not only will the signing of a free trade agreement will be easy, we will also not accept freedom ofmovement nor respect any eu regulations. funny enough there are still assholes here who believe that one.

interesting enough i saw a documentary this evening about cambridge analytica and how they influence the vote by putting false news on the net and watch it grow like a mushrom with idiots who believe it and spread it.

interestingly one of the volse news items they did was showing 3 hooded men who attack two girls and claimed they were migrants attacking english girls when it was actually acted out becasue few minutes later they were having food together in a bar. another clip was how easy it was to pick up migrants from europe and bring them over, when all they did is pick the so called migrants from one kent port and droped them into another.

[Paphitis]

That's wishful thinking from dreamers Paphitis based on WTO procedures that apply when 2 parties want to establish or join a free trade area.
in that case it's quite logical to have an interim period from 2-10 years of zero or lower tariffs (as is the case of every country that applies to join the EU.
What makes you think the EU will even want to establish a free trade area with Britain after it leaves ??
No way mate.. sorry.

They DO want to join the Free Trade. Both Britain and the EU are determined to have a Free Trade Deal.

That has NEVER been an issue at all and the EU have already offered that up. The only sticking point is the Irish Border. The EU are using this to scuttle the process.

Britain and the EU will definitely have a Free Trade deal like Norway, Switzerland, and Canada and like the one Australia and the USA are working towards and in the meantime it is likely they will trade under Article 24 WTO standards until this agreement is penned. That of course is subject to EU approval which is a foregone conclusion because the won't risk a down turn or reduction in trade either.

I believe that Australia and USA are already trading under Article 24 meaning that they are well on the way to a complete Free Trade Deal with the EU.

I know the Australian Government mentioned it and it also mentioned they have already begun negotiations with the UK in order to get a FTD with the UK since it is leaving the EU and will not be covered by the Australian/EU FTD.

So everything is already underway in the background.

It is disingenuous to say there will be chaos after BREXIT.

It's not only the backstop.
You should probably learn under what terms the EU offered Theresa May a free trade agreement. It's full of strings plus an estimated 40 billion charge which includes past obligations plus costs for the transitional period upto July 2020. Not as "free" as you think.
Similar arrangements exist with Norway, so don't be so sure the EU will offer anything to Britain as "free" as you think.

40 billion is chicken feed Pyro. That’s not a consideration. Britain is a 4 trillion dollar economy. It’s 1% of GDP.

Britain puts in about 40 billion every year, as a net contributor to the EU. The U.K. has not made any issue with regard to that amount of money.

That is their final contribution.

The only issue seems to be the Irish Border. This is the reason why Parliament has rejected the EU offer.

This is why Britain is now prepared to BREXIT with no deal.

[Paphitis]

there are some people that should not have access to the internet

Norway has full access to the single market, and very limited barriers to trade with the EU.
In return it makes substantial contributions to the EU budget, and has to follow most EU rules and laws. ...
Norway is not part of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) or the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP)

why the fak would eu give us a free trade deal , whats the matter with the brexiteers, oh i know they have no fakin brians. the scull cavity is empty.

Switzerland is also in the single market with the EU which the 4 freedoms apply, and they are part of the Schengen but not an EU member state. UK wanted to be in the single market with the EU after Brexit, but did not want the 4 freedoms and the EU said, “no way, José”.

Well no deal BREXIT it will be then.

I can see it from Britain’s side of the fence. I wouldn’t want the 4 freedoms either. I like Australia’s point based system and strong borders. You keep the 4 freedoms to yourselves Thanks!

[Kikapu]

there are some people that should not have access to the internet

Norway has full access to the single market, and very limited barriers to trade with the EU.
In return it makes substantial contributions to the EU budget, and has to follow most EU rules and laws. ...
Norway is not part of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) or the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP)

why the fak would eu give us a free trade deal , whats the matter with the brexiteers, oh i know they have no fakin brians. the scull cavity is empty.

Switzerland is also in the single market with the EU which the 4 freedoms apply, and they are part of the Schengen but not an EU member state. UK wanted to be in the single market with the EU after Brexit, but did not want the 4 freedoms and the EU said, “no way, José”.

Well no deal BREXIT it will be then.

I can see it from Britain’s side of the fence. I wouldn’t want the 4 freedoms either. I like Australia’s point based system and strong borders. You keep the 4 freedoms to yourselves Thanks!

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Actually Australia would be lucky to have 4 freedoms and a single market with the EU since Australia needs no less than 100 million more people to develop the country to slowly start becoming an economic powerhouse.

[Lordo]

so why do remainers see brexiteers as stupid. lets have a look at some of the reasons. they refused to even see that there are infact 2 brexit options
1 - a tory option but they somehow cannot comprehend that the two are not inclusive. tories do not want to be in the free trading area or even inthe custums union an yet they believe that they will be able to negotiate their own free trade area with the eu without accepting any of the fundamentals of the eu and without contributing to the eu and yet benefiting from free trade.

2. labour option which is to stay close to the eu withing customs union and free trade area to protect jobs and industires and our human rights.

so who actually has the mandate to do this, well the answer is neither. tories had 13 million votes and labour had 12 million votes, so neither have the right to impose their brexit on us according to the last election in 2017. well democracy is very clear, you can't stay in government if you lose the elction because you won the previous one.

what should have happened in 2017 is either call another election or bring corbyn in to negotiations to reach an agreement. the important word is agreement becasue if there is an ahreement they carry 25 million votes, but no tories jumped into bed with the fascist dup and the erg and came up with the no deal brexit. well they have not been able to get it through parlaiment. sure she tried to shift the blame on corbyn by calling him for talks. that was the biggest bullshitting idea if ever i saw one.

so now we have brexiteers saying people knew what they voted for. how the hell did they know that when we still don't know what we are going to get now. they were promissed the easiet deal with all the benefits plus more and none of the costs. bthis was almost at th elevel of the faith of the christians who beieve that mary was a virgin when she gave birth and christ not only existed but came back from the dead. you cannot reason with such blind faith but you can follow demcoracy rather than distort it by using underhand ways to get a no deal through. thankfully we still have some brilliant characters that have surfaced in the last few years that are protecting our democracy and we shall overcome.

this is not about stopping brexit, this is about getting a deal or no deal with the eu and putting it to the people. why the hell are these democratic brexiteers so worried about voting for a plan with proper scrutiny.

democracy democracy democracy every time.

[Londonrake]

In the 2017 election both major parties stood on a manifesto commitment of honouring the EU referendum result. They gained 85% of the votes cast. The Liberals stood on a Remain ticket and were electorally decimated.

Then of course there were the recent EU parliament, MEP results, which spoke for themselves.

Please stop going on about democracy. You’re not a Democrat. You’re simply a bad loser.

We were promised by just about every top ranking politician in 2016 that the referendum result would be honoured. So far that’s proven to be a pack of lies. Everything else is just obfuscating, hypocritical bullshit.