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[erolz66]

Erolz66:

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Yes, seems your hypocrisy knows no bounds, the majority of the GCs have had to suffer this phenomenon with your lot for years and especially the last 45 years.

You MFs have imposed against our will the use of our homes and lands yet you have the F audacity to say the above.

Thank you for your comments, In light of them , as part of the dialectic process I will now refine my statement.

Yes it really is very very simple.The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them, by their own democratic system, that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Is this revised statement still hypocritical to you B25 on the basis that the first one was ?

[Kikapu]

And that is the whole point, HR, that after the referendum had been voted on 3 years ago, we haven't left yet, so obviously, it was never a simple leave or stay (YES or NO) referendum as it has been proven to be, and when such problems are there for Brexit not being implemented, there are good reasons as to why it hasn't been.

Yes, the political elite don't want to leave and have refused to implement the will of the people...

When the will of the people is not implemented after an election or a referendum, in this case 17m of them, one would expect them to be on the streets demonstrating and rioting, especially when there isn't any resolution 3 years on. Is it perhaps the majority of the leavers now themselves are no longer convinced that leaving the EU is a wise choice and are in "complicit" with the remainers to prevent Brexit from ever coming to fruition?

[cyprusgrump]

And that is the whole point, HR, that after the referendum had been voted on 3 years ago, we haven't left yet, so obviously, it was never a simple leave or stay (YES or NO) referendum as it has been proven to be, and when such problems are there for Brexit not being implemented, there are good reasons as to why it hasn't been.

Yes, the political elite don't want to leave and have refused to implement the will of the people...

When the will of the people is not implemented after an election or a referendum, in this case 17m of them, one would expect them to be on the streets demonstrating and rioting, especially when there isn't any resolution 3 years on. Is it perhaps the majority of the leavers now themselves are no longer convinced that leaving the EU is a wise choice and are in "complicit" with the remainers to prevent Brexit from ever coming to fruition?

No.

Not according to the polls anyway, not according to the results of the European Elections either...

Nice try tho...

[miltiades]

Plonker, did you say the will of the people?
Perhaps the Scots and the Irish as well as the 16 million plus are fucking animals !!
You are a first class ill educated fucking Plonker. Checked your pound yet ??

[Londonrake]

And that is the whole point, HR, that after the referendum had been voted on 3 years ago, we haven't left yet, so obviously, it was never a simple leave or stay (YES or NO) referendum as it has been proven to be, and when such problems are there for Brexit not being implemented, there are good reasons as to why it hasn't been.

Yes, the political elite don't want to leave and have refused to implement the will of the people...

When the will of the people is not implemented after an election or a referendum, in this case 17m of them, one would expect them to be on the streets demonstrating and rioting, especially when there isn't any resolution 3 years on. Is it perhaps the majority of the leavers now themselves are no longer convinced that leaving the EU is a wise choice and are in "complicit" with the remainers to prevent Brexit from ever coming to fruition?

There was always likely to be a 2 year delay after Article 50 was invoked. So, we should have left at the end of March.

I think your expectations are unrealistic. “Outraged” of Guildford was never going to start throwing bricks at the police. My expectation was that large numbers of people would be voting for the Brexit Party. That’s been borne out by recent events. If Johnson doesn’t do what he claims then it will be - very borne out - and he knows it. If you think Brexit’s bad news, God help if we end up with Corbyn + Brexit.

Your baseless Opinion that people have changed their minds isn’t reflected in the make up of the UK’s current batch of MEPs is it? And the idea that those people are “complicit” in preventing Brexit is - searches for a suitable expression - got it. A load of bollocks.

I don’t know how many times it has to be pointed out but the blindingly obvious fact is that this isn’t an issue that’s going away. Until that is people get what they democratically voted for.

[erolz66]

Erolz66:

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

What a wonderful idea! Let’s have a referendum on whether we want to pay income tax or not, or pay road tax on cars, or duty on fuel, or local rates etc ........ I think a guess of an outcome in favour of ‘NOT’ would be a reasonable predictions. We could make voting in referendums a full time job as there are just so many things we could vote on ..... then vote on again .... and again .... and again. We could even have degree courses on ‘voting’. Can you see just how stupid this peoples vote could get.

We had a referendum on leaving the EU .... option ‘YES’ or ‘NO’ ...... those in favour of leaving were the majority! Those that voted to remain were the minority ....... the vote carries and the opinion of the losing side is no longer of relevance! END!

Now let's implement the will of the majority!

Those that voted to remain are not the sharpest knives in the drawer because they are still depicting doom and gloom over 3 years after the vote, when most indications are the opposite and then blaming the fall in the value of sterling, which should really be going up if it was based on the UK’s economic performance, on something that has yet to happen instead of the bleedin’ obvious ......... speculation based on THEIR doom and gloom predictions. Which so ar have not materialised.

Finally something lol.

The statement is one of democratic principal. I state it to seek to test who is truly committed to democracy and who is just saying they are.

In order to deal with the logical contradiction, in your claim that 'leavers are the true democrats, remainers are the anti democrats' and that statement, without having to challenge your belief, you have had to come up with a 'trick'. The trick you have come up with is to pretend the statement says something about HOW you implement the principals of democracy. It does not. It IS much much simpler than that, if as Londonrake says you really are a democrat. It just states a simple easy to understand principle of democracy that you need to agree with if you truly are a democrat.

How we have for 500 years implemented this principle of democracy my statement states, when making decisions on everything, including if we should pay tax, how much we should pay, is via a process of - the people vote for their MP's, MP's vote on proposed laws that reflect what the people want. Majority of MP's decide. That process is the best way we have found of implementing the principles of democracy, one of which is embodied in my statement. It is not contradictory to that principal. At all. That you have to try and imply that the statement says that you must have referendum on x or y or z , when it so clearly does not, is your 'trick'. I have and can see how the trick is performed. I have told you how.

That once you have used your (not very good) trick you immediately then go back to saying what you have been saying over and over, whilst complaining this is something remainers do and leavers do not just speaks to your hypocrisy.

So once more I will make the (revised, thanks B25) statement of democratic principal. I have to repeat it because you have not yet addressed it, in light of how you say we should exit the EU, just sought to avoid it. The responsibility for the repetitive nature of this is yours not mine.

Yes it really is very very simple.The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them, by their own democratic system, that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

and ask the question - "How can anyone who is truly a democrat disagree with the statement above" ?

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This is all just so fascinating to me. Not in terms of Brexit, not even in terms of democracy. But in terms of how and why humans tell them selves things, believe things that are not true and then what they do in response to having those beliefs crash in to the hard implacable wall of logic. Fascinating.

Will you 'address the issue / question' ? Will you keep looking for tricks ? Will you go silent ? Fascinating.

[Maximus]

Erolz66:

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Yes, seems your hypocrisy knows no bounds, the majority of the GCs have had to suffer this phenomenon with your lot for years and especially the last 45 years.

You MFs have imposed against our will the use of our homes and lands yet you have the F audacity to say the above.

Thank you for your comments, In light of them , as part of the dialectic process I will now refine my statement.

Yes it really is very very simple.The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them, by their own democratic system, that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Is this revised statement still hypocritical to you B25 on the basis that the first one was ?

Not from you Erolz,

I believe you have stated in the past that you are for a democratic unitary state in Cyprus.

But from your lot is an accurate statement.

Lordo's, hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Here he is posting up and down on these Brexit threads being pro EU and arguing for Enosis for Britian.

But for Cyprus, its the opposite. Not even democracy.

[erolz66]

Not from you Erolz,

I only speak for me no one else. I beleive I speak for logic and truth as well but that is an opinion not a fact.

I believe you have stated in the past that you are for a democratic unitary state in Cyprus.

I have and do. I have serious and fundamental differences with you about how we might best achieve reaching that goal but yes I do say that. But for me the thing that sparked of this 'dialectic' process and discussion was the question 'who are the true democrats' within the context of the positions taken in the brexit debate. It was not about the Cyprus problem and Lordo's or anyone else's hypocrisy in the context of that debate. I understand why for you you may want to discuss such things but I will stick for now with the same original discussion.

[cyprusgrump]

Plonker, did you say the will of the people?
Perhaps the Scots and the Irish as well as the 16 million plus are fucking animals !!
You are a first class ill educated fucking Plonker. Checked your pound yet ??

No I didn't say that...

You've started on the Keo early today haven't you...?

[erolz66]

Robin Hood, how are you getting on with the bananas ? Have you found the truth yet ? It is as they say, out there. Sure it it not the dominant narrative in the MSM but I would have thought, for you more than most, that should not be a problem. Have you found it yet ?

If you have found it, have you asked yourself the question, if you, as an intelligent individual that has both the capability and desire to think for themselves, has been so thoroughly 'misled' over the 'Bananas' for so long, then on how many other things about the EU have you also been misled ?