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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Paphitis » Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:25 pm

Lordo wrote:if you want to see funny, this is funny.

https://www.facebook.com/TELEGRAPH.CO.UK/videos/2210970332333851/


gee! I didn't realise!

If I was BOJO, I would have put both feet on the coffee table and use it as a foot stool and be quite serious about it like its normal. :lol:

BOJO should have slapped the prick across the back real hard! 8)
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Londonrake » Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:36 pm

Apparently, it was Macron’s suggestion. Seems he does have a sense of humour, after all.
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Lordo » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:46 am

i don't think macron suggested it, he is supposed to have said that it can be used as a footstool. so boris as a joke put his foot on it. the question is not one of boris in some way disrespectin the stool, it was his posture at a meeting with another leader. he is clueless, they did not teach this in eton i suspect.

here is another question which i hope my brexiteer friends can help e with.

fact 1 - we have a backstop to protect the good friday agreement.
fact 2 - we now have some individual or other which boris has brought out of the wood work claiming they have the facilities to implement so backstop will not be needed and can be implemented during the implementation period.
fact 3 - brexiteers want the backstop removed becasue it will not be needed.

so why do brexiters insist that we should be able to remove the backstop whether we have such a system working in the future or not. wher is the logic of this. what difference does it make whether we remove it or not now, when we are confident it will not be needed in just a few years?

we don't pay for insurance becasue we know we will not needed, we pay insurance just in case we need it. this is even easier that as we don't actually have to pay anything to have the backstop, it is a paragraph in an agreement.

have brexiteers lost it completely
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Kikapu » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:49 am

Lordo wrote:i don't think macron suggested it, he is supposed to have said that it can be used as a footstool. so boris as a joke put his foot on it. the question is not one of boris in some way disrespectin the stool, it was his posture at a meeting with another leader. he is clueless, they did not teach this in eton i suspect.

here is another question which i hope my brexiteer friends can help e with.

fact 1 - we have a backstop to protect the good friday agreement.
fact 2 - we now have some individual or other which boris has brought out of the wood work claiming they have the facilities to implement so backstop will not be needed and can be implemented during the implementation period.
fact 3 - brexiteers want the backstop removed becasue it will not be needed.

so why do brexiters insist that we should be able to remove the backstop whether we have such a system working in the future or not. wher is the logic of this. what difference does it make whether we remove it or not now, when we are confident it will not be needed in just a few years?

we don't pay for insurance becasue we know we will not needed, we pay insurance just in case we need it. this is even easier that as we don't actually have to pay anything to have the backstop, it is a paragraph in an agreement.

have brexiteers lost it completely


Lordo, a short answer to your post regarding the backstop is, the Brexiteers want to “bait and switch”, is the reason why they want it removed from the withdrawal agreement. It is the old con game.
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Lordo » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:00 pm

certainly it is a con as they know there is no way of implementing brexit without threatening tgfa. although it is not that they just want to remove it, they would accept it being in the agreement so long as uk is allowed to remove it in the future unilaterally. what does that say? I want to be able to remove it in the future whether we have something in its place or not. i mean this is not even a 2 years logic.

whats more worrying is boris has moved from
a million to one we will not ha a deal
to 50 / 50 chance of having a deal
to now saying we can cope with no deal easily.

and the succkers believe every word they say.

here is a question for those who import export accross borders in and outside eu. can i as an individula order something from another country and have it delivered without an trade agreement between uk and the supplying country?

there are now people propogating the idea that ultimately money talks and companies will deliver with or without a trade deal.
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:16 pm

Lordo wrote:
here is a question for those who import export accross borders in and outside eu. can i as an individula order something from another country and have it delivered without an trade agreement between uk and the supplying country?

there are now people propogating the idea that ultimately money talks and companies will deliver with or without a trade deal.


Of course you can do it. No trade agreement is required. As long as the supplying country/firm can provide the relevant certificates a UK importer can import anything he wants.

The vast majority of products don't need any certificates. What certificate would you need to import furniture for example??
However there are some restrictions in certain products e.g. For plants, vegetables, seeds etc he will need Phytosanitary certificates as for live or processed food the certificates themselves are only good to import and store the products. From there on they have to be checked from the local authority and government lab before been released for human consumption.

Buying things is the easiest thing to do. Selling is the most difficult thing.
The UK will have no problem doing imports (buying) after Brexit with no deal, but will have a great difficulty doing exports(selling things).
Therefore it's trade deficit will increase.
EU exporters to the UK will also suffer the same. E.g. Cypriot potatoes won't sell as easy anymore in the UK.
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Paphitis » Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:26 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
here is a question for those who import export accross borders in and outside eu. can i as an individula order something from another country and have it delivered without an trade agreement between uk and the supplying country?

there are now people propogating the idea that ultimately money talks and companies will deliver with or without a trade deal.


Of course you can do it. No trade agreement is required. As long as the supplying country/firm can provide the relevant certificates a UK importer can import anything he wants.

The vast majority of products don't need any certificates. What certificate would you need to import furniture for example??
However there are some restrictions in certain products e.g. For plants, vegetables, seeds etc he will need Phytosanitary certificates as for live or processed food the certificates themselves are only good to import and store the products. From there on they have to be checked from the local authority and government lab before been released for human consumption.

Buying things is the easiest thing to do. Selling is the most difficult thing.
The UK will have no problem doing imports (buying) after Brexit with no deal, but will have a great difficulty doing exports(selling things).
Therefore it's trade deficit will increase.
EU exporters to the UK will also suffer the same. E.g. Cypriot potatoes won't sell as easy anymore in the UK.



there will be no difficulty in selling things.

Trade will continue both ways. People in the EU will still be buying Jaguar, Land Rover, Range Rovers and Aston Martin's.
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Kikapu » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:28 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
here is a question for those who import export accross borders in and outside eu. can i as an individula order something from another country and have it delivered without an trade agreement between uk and the supplying country?

there are now people propogating the idea that ultimately money talks and companies will deliver with or without a trade deal.


Of course you can do it. No trade agreement is required. As long as the supplying country/firm can provide the relevant certificates a UK importer can import anything he wants.

The vast majority of products don't need any certificates. What certificate would you need to import furniture for example??
However there are some restrictions in certain products e.g. For plants, vegetables, seeds etc he will need Phytosanitary certificates as for live or processed food the certificates themselves are only good to import and store the products. From there on they have to be checked from the local authority and government lab before been released for human consumption.

Buying things is the easiest thing to do. Selling is the most difficult thing.
The UK will have no problem doing imports (buying) after Brexit with no deal, but will have a great difficulty doing exports(selling things).
Therefore it's trade deficit will increase.
EU exporters to the UK will also suffer the same. E.g. Cypriot potatoes won't sell as easy anymore in the UK.



there will be no difficulty in selling things.

Trade will continue both ways. People in the EU will still be buying Jaguar, Land Rover, Range Rovers and Aston Martin's.

These cars are not owned by UK companies any longer if my information is correct.
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:52 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Lordo wrote:
here is a question for those who import export accross borders in and outside eu. can i as an individula order something from another country and have it delivered without an trade agreement between uk and the supplying country?

there are now people propogating the idea that ultimately money talks and companies will deliver with or without a trade deal.


Of course you can do it. No trade agreement is required. As long as the supplying country/firm can provide the relevant certificates a UK importer can import anything he wants.

The vast majority of products don't need any certificates. What certificate would you need to import furniture for example??
However there are some restrictions in certain products e.g. For plants, vegetables, seeds etc he will need Phytosanitary certificates as for live or processed food the certificates themselves are only good to import and store the products. From there on they have to be checked from the local authority and government lab before been released for human consumption.

Buying things is the easiest thing to do. Selling is the most difficult thing.
The UK will have no problem doing imports (buying) after Brexit with no deal, but will have a great difficulty doing exports(selling things).
Therefore it's trade deficit will increase.
EU exporters to the UK will also suffer the same. E.g. Cypriot potatoes won't sell as easy anymore in the UK.



there will be no difficulty in selling things.

Trade will continue both ways. People in the EU will still be buying Jaguar, Land Rover, Range Rovers and Aston Martin's.


Vehicles is actually a small part of UK's trade with the EU (10% of it's exports ) and even on that the UK it's on deficit [20.6 billion exports Vs 46.5 billion imports in 2018.]

The only things the UK was on surplus were
a) petroleum products (12% of it's exports ) 20.6b Vs 8b
b)Financial and other business services (52% of it's exports) 107 b exports Vs 81 imports

Overall the UK is on trade deficit with the EU.

While trading goods with the EU after Brexit with no deal, is not expected to bring up any dramatic change
[e.g. the UK will still export half the value of the cars she imports], it will have a huge impact on the Financial and other services sector which is it's biggest trading sector with the EU. Simply because it will lose the free movement and settlement facility. But this is what they want either with a deal or no deal, right?
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Re: brexit not far away now

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:33 pm

Imo what the UK needs after Brexit (with or without a deal) is not new trade deals on goods, it's
new markets to sell it's Financial and other services.
Where are those new markets?? :roll: :lol:
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