B25 wrote:Regardless of all this talk right now , the uk is Americas closest ally. If the Brits were to deny the US access to airstrips in Cyprus and all the listening data being collected, they may just change their approach.
Lordo wrote:you can see how long this trum/bojo love in will last.
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Kikapu wrote:I think you are missing the point. If Tusk gives into what the UK wants, pretty soon the remaining 27 would be tempted to leave also and expect to get the same deal as the UK. It is a slippery road to disaster for the EU, which is why Tusk would rather lose some now than lose much much more later. It has nothing to do about being revengeful to the UK. He wants to safeguard the EU and not the UK. U.K. wants to leave, they should have left long time ago already, instead they are sticking around like a bad rash. Poor planning by the UK on Brexit from the beginning with the referendum does not now necessitate emergency on the part of the EU.
cyprusgrump wrote:Kikapu wrote:I think you are missing the point. If Tusk gives into what the UK wants, pretty soon the remaining 27 would be tempted to leave also and expect to get the same deal as the UK. It is a slippery road to disaster for the EU, which is why Tusk would rather lose some now than lose much much more later. It has nothing to do about being revengeful to the UK. He wants to safeguard the EU and not the UK. U.K. wants to leave, they should have left long time ago already, instead they are sticking around like a bad rash. Poor planning by the UK on Brexit from the beginning with the referendum does not now necessitate emergency on the part of the EU.
Thank you!
You have very eloquently made the point we Brexiteers have been making for years.
The EU is only interested in the EU. It doesn't care about its citizens, they are just the source of the taxes that fund the EU's vanity projects and pay their wages and pensions.
The EU doesn't care if we have to pay more for the food we eat, just as long as the project stays intact...
They don't want a FTA with the UK even though it will damage European industries...
It is all about the EU Project.
Heaven help them if the UK leaves and makes a success of it - all the other members will be asking, "why the hell are we financing this boondoggle?"
Good. The EU needs to give up its ambition of becoming a federal super-state and return to being a trading bloc as originally intended.
Kikapu wrote:cyprusgrump wrote:Kikapu wrote:I think you are missing the point. If Tusk gives into what the UK wants, pretty soon the remaining 27 would be tempted to leave also and expect to get the same deal as the UK. It is a slippery road to disaster for the EU, which is why Tusk would rather lose some now than lose much much more later. It has nothing to do about being revengeful to the UK. He wants to safeguard the EU and not the UK. U.K. wants to leave, they should have left long time ago already, instead they are sticking around like a bad rash. Poor planning by the UK on Brexit from the beginning with the referendum does not now necessitate emergency on the part of the EU.
Thank you!
You have very eloquently made the point we Brexiteers have been making for years.
The EU is only interested in the EU. It doesn't care about its citizens, they are just the source of the taxes that fund the EU's vanity projects and pay their wages and pensions.
The EU doesn't care if we have to pay more for the food we eat, just as long as the project stays intact...
They don't want a FTA with the UK even though it will damage European industries...
It is all about the EU Project.
Heaven help them if the UK leaves and makes a success of it - all the other members will be asking, "why the hell are we financing this boondoggle?"
Good. The EU needs to give up its ambition of becoming a federal super-state and return to being a trading bloc as originally intended.
Nice try, but it won't wash, because you can't separate EU citizens from the EU and vice versa. Each member state joined the EU voluntarily and likewise can leave voluntarily, however, it has rules, benefits and cost as any club does, and if a member wants to leave but only wants the benefits and not the rules and cost, then that member shouldn't expect to be treated better that current members. Hardly surprising, no?
Kikapu wrote:If Tusk gives into what the UK wants, pretty soon the remaining 27 would be tempted to leave also and expect to get the same deal as the UK.
miltiades wrote:Why not go back to the early 20th century?
Lets have another war, we can beat the Krauts and the Frogs. !!
Rule Brittania blah blah...
Paphitis wrote:miltiades wrote:Why not go back to the early 20th century?
Lets have another war, we can beat the Krauts and the Frogs. !!
Rule Brittania blah blah...
You can get your 21st century ideas and shove them up where the sun don't shone yero!
The day will dawn where human kind will need to reset its compass to the way things were and away from where things are headed.
cyprusgrump wrote:Kikapu wrote:cyprusgrump wrote:Kikapu wrote:I think you are missing the point. If Tusk gives into what the UK wants, pretty soon the remaining 27 would be tempted to leave also and expect to get the same deal as the UK. It is a slippery road to disaster for the EU, which is why Tusk would rather lose some now than lose much much more later. It has nothing to do about being revengeful to the UK. He wants to safeguard the EU and not the UK. U.K. wants to leave, they should have left long time ago already, instead they are sticking around like a bad rash. Poor planning by the UK on Brexit from the beginning with the referendum does not now necessitate emergency on the part of the EU.
Thank you!
You have very eloquently made the point we Brexiteers have been making for years.
The EU is only interested in the EU. It doesn't care about its citizens, they are just the source of the taxes that fund the EU's vanity projects and pay their wages and pensions.
The EU doesn't care if we have to pay more for the food we eat, just as long as the project stays intact...
They don't want a FTA with the UK even though it will damage European industries...
It is all about the EU Project.
Heaven help them if the UK leaves and makes a success of it - all the other members will be asking, "why the hell are we financing this boondoggle?"
Good. The EU needs to give up its ambition of becoming a federal super-state and return to being a trading bloc as originally intended.
Nice try, but it won't wash, because you can't separate EU citizens from the EU and vice versa. Each member state joined the EU voluntarily and likewise can leave voluntarily, however, it has rules, benefits and cost as any club does, and if a member wants to leave but only wants the benefits and not the rules and cost, then that member shouldn't expect to be treated better that current members. Hardly surprising, no?
Of course you can and that is one of the key problems with the EU...
Europe is a number of separate sovereign countries that joined a trading bloc.
The EU wants a federal superstate with Brussels controlling everything.
I suspect European Citizens are more closely aligned with the first than the second.
As you said yourself: -Kikapu wrote:If Tusk gives into what the UK wants, pretty soon the remaining 27 would be tempted to leave also and expect to get the same deal as the UK.
Why would that be if the citizens of Europe wanted what the EU wants...?
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