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[Londonrake]

It's all been said before, umpteen times. Over and over.

In response to your erroneous claim that the chances of Brexit happening now are zero I pointed out the facts. At present the UK is - by parliamentary law (a huge majority actually) - bound to leaving the EU. There’s currently a 6 month hiatus, sanctioned by the EU. To prevent that law being enacted, at some point or other it will have to be rescinded by a similar parliamentary vote. Whether, if or how, that happens - or not - is a matter of conjecture and in several cases hereabouts wishful thinking.

The idea that some lofty judge can and is going to declare this all null and void is ridiculous.

It’s interesting to read the racist comments being spat out by some forum members. Saddos doesn’t really do them justice.

[Kikapu]

The UK leaving the EU may be enshrined in the Law, but it can still be challenged in the courts as Article 50 being illegal if in fact it violates any part of the Good Friday agreement which the UK signed that treaty. I think lawyers are waiting to see how the whole Brexit is going to play out before they put an injunction on to Article 50 to rescind it if all else fails to prevent Brexit.

I believe an appropriate description of that is “living in cloud cuckoo land” . Do you have anything credible at all that supports it? By credible I mean other than along the lines of “I think”.

Do you have any understanding of the likely consequences of the judiciary “preventing Brexit”.

Don’t be in a hurry to discount legal intervention to Brexit.

There is no likely consequences if it’s legal to rescind article 50. That would be a legal matter which is part of democracy and the rule of law.

Err - nope. That’s obfuscating nonsense, do you have anything credible to back your assertions up?

I do not, but it does not mean it won't happen. But hey, if Article 50 does not violate any of the Good Friday agreement, then you got nothing to worry about, but then again, in law, nothing is 100% certain, are they?

[Lordo]

It's all been said before, umpteen times. Over and over.

In response to your erroneous claim that the chances of Brexit happening now are zero I pointed out the facts. At present the UK is - by parliamentary law (a huge majority actually) - bound to leaving the EU. There’s currently a 6 month hiatus, sanctioned by the EU. To prevent that law being enacted, at some point or other it will have to be rescinded by a similar parliamentary vote. Whether, if or how, that happens - or not - is a matter of conjecture and in several cases hereabouts wishful thinking.

The idea that some lofty judge can and is going to declare this all null and void is ridiculous.

It’s interesting to read the racist comments being spat out by some forum members. Saddos doesn’t really do them justice.

who said anything about lofty judge.

fact - bojo will lose the no confidence vote
fact - article 50 will be delayed till an election and another vote is held
fact - a new pm will pass laws to do the above
fact - unless tories win - no deal brexit is dead.

thats all. and if tories win the election before end of october than you win. under current laws parliament actually voted against no deal brexit. this is what you cannot get your head around. parliament voting for brexit is one thing and the same vote being counted as vote to leave with no deal are not the same.


where were you when parliament voted to stop no-deal brexit and was suitably ignored by thevold cow. i guess you think it was democracy to ignore the vote in parliament.

[Londonrake]

It's all been said before, umpteen times. Over and over.

In response to your erroneous claim that the chances of Brexit happening now are zero I pointed out the facts. At present the UK is - by parliamentary law (a huge majority actually) - bound to leaving the EU. There’s currently a 6 month hiatus, sanctioned by the EU. To prevent that law being enacted, at some point or other it will have to be rescinded by a similar parliamentary vote. Whether, if or how, that happens - or not - is a matter of conjecture and in several cases hereabouts wishful thinking.

The idea that some lofty judge can and is going to declare this all null and void is ridiculous.

It’s interesting to read the racist comments being spat out by some forum members. Saddos doesn’t really do them justice.

who said anything about lofty judge.

fact - bojo will lose the no confidence vote
fact - article 50 will be delayed till an election and another vote is held
fact - a new pm will pass laws to do the above
fact - unless tories win - no deal brexit is dead.

thats all. and if tories win the election before end of october than you win. under current laws parliament actually voted against no deal brexit. this is what you cannot get your head around. parliament voting for brexit is one thing and the same vote being counted as vote to leave with no deal are not the same.


where were you when parliament voted to stop no-deal brexit and was suitably ignored by thevold cow. i guess you think it was democracy to ignore the vote in parliament.

Kikapu: 1.47pm. Apparently the lawyers are just sitting back until the right moment. Then they’re going to step in and call a halt to all this Brexit nonsense. After that we will it seems, like the beautiful Prince and Princess in their castle, live happily ever after.

Parliament has and always will vote against absolutely any deal/non deal. What makes you think I should accept that? They went to a lot of trouble to ask what I wanted and ever since have been hell bent on ignoring me. So, apparently in this “Democracy,” it boils down to my vote actually counts for nothing, if they don’t agree with it.

Do stop going on about “democracy”. People who’ve fought for over 3 years, using every devious device, arguing surreally about semantics and spouting Orwellian double-think, purely in order to overturn the 2016 referendum are not democrats. And a lot of them are going to find that out sooner or later because, ultimately, they can’t escape the electoral consequences.

Anyway, TGIF. Off out now. You will have to get by this evening with just patting each other on the back stuff.

[cyprusgrump]

You poor things!

[Kikapu]

It's all been said before, umpteen times. Over and over.

In response to your erroneous claim that the chances of Brexit happening now are zero I pointed out the facts. At present the UK is - by parliamentary law (a huge majority actually) - bound to leaving the EU. There’s currently a 6 month hiatus, sanctioned by the EU. To prevent that law being enacted, at some point or other it will have to be rescinded by a similar parliamentary vote. Whether, if or how, that happens - or not - is a matter of conjecture and in several cases hereabouts wishful thinking.

The idea that some lofty judge can and is going to declare this all null and void is ridiculous.

It’s interesting to read the racist comments being spat out by some forum members. Saddos doesn’t really do them justice.

who said anything about lofty judge.

fact - bojo will lose the no confidence vote
fact - article 50 will be delayed till an election and another vote is held
fact - a new pm will pass laws to do the above
fact - unless tories win - no deal brexit is dead.

thats all. and if tories win the election before end of october than you win. under current laws parliament actually voted against no deal brexit. this is what you cannot get your head around. parliament voting for brexit is one thing and the same vote being counted as vote to leave with no deal are not the same.


where were you when parliament voted to stop no-deal brexit and was suitably ignored by thevold cow. i guess you think it was democracy to ignore the vote in parliament.

Kikapu: 1.47pm. Apparently the lawyers are just sitting back until the right moment. Then they’re going to step in and call a halt to all this Brexit nonsense. After that we will it seems, like the beautiful Prince and Princess in their castle, live happily ever after.

Parliament has and always will vote against absolutely any deal/non deal. What makes you think I should accept that? They went to a lot of trouble to ask what I wanted and ever since have been hell bent on ignoring me. So, apparently in this “Democracy,” it boils down to my vote actually counts for nothing, if they don’t agree with it.

Do stop going on about “democracy”. People who’ve fought for over 3 years, using every devious device, arguing surreally about semantics and spouting Orwellian double-think, purely in order to overturn the 2016 referendum are not democrats. And a lot of them are going to find that out sooner or later because, ultimately, they can’t escape the electoral consequences.

Anyway, TGIF. Off out now. You will have to get by this evening with just patting each other on the back stuff.

No one wants to deny you of your democratic rights. You have voted and the Brexiteers won the majority in the referendum. So far so good. However, if invoking article 50 violates any of the principles of the Good Friday agreement which the UK is a signatory to that agreement, then it is no longer a democratic matter, but a legal one. I don’t know if there are any legal issues that may conflict between article 50 and the Good Friday agreement. If there are, then they would need to be dealt with in the courts. Democracy is not absolute, or else, the majority may vote tomorrow to merry 13 year old girls in the UK despite being against the law. Do we allow the majority to have it their way or do we try to stop it with the courts? We just have to wait and see what happens and when it happens with Brexit, that’s all.

[Lordo]

It's all been said before, umpteen times. Over and over.

In response to your erroneous claim that the chances of Brexit happening now are zero I pointed out the facts. At present the UK is - by parliamentary law (a huge majority actually) - bound to leaving the EU. There’s currently a 6 month hiatus, sanctioned by the EU. To prevent that law being enacted, at some point or other it will have to be rescinded by a similar parliamentary vote. Whether, if or how, that happens - or not - is a matter of conjecture and in several cases hereabouts wishful thinking.

The idea that some lofty judge can and is going to declare this all null and void is ridiculous.

It’s interesting to read the racist comments being spat out by some forum members. Saddos doesn’t really do them justice.

who said anything about lofty judge.

fact - bojo will lose the no confidence vote
fact - article 50 will be delayed till an election and another vote is held
fact - a new pm will pass laws to do the above
fact - unless tories win - no deal brexit is dead.

thats all. and if tories win the election before end of october than you win. under current laws parliament actually voted against no deal brexit. this is what you cannot get your head around. parliament voting for brexit is one thing and the same vote being counted as vote to leave with no deal are not the same.


where were you when parliament voted to stop no-deal brexit and was suitably ignored by thevold cow. i guess you think it was democracy to ignore the vote in parliament.

Kikapu: 1.47pm. Apparently the lawyers are just sitting back until the right moment. Then they’re going to step in and call a halt to all this Brexit nonsense. After that we will it seems, like the beautiful Prince and Princess in their castle, live happily ever after.

Parliament has and always will vote against absolutely any deal/non deal. What makes you think I should accept that? They went to a lot of trouble to ask what I wanted and ever since have been hell bent on ignoring me. So, apparently in this “Democracy,” it boils down to my vote actually counts for nothing, if they don’t agree with it.

Do stop going on about “democracy”. People who’ve fought for over 3 years, using every devious device, arguing surreally about semantics and spouting Orwellian double-think, purely in order to overturn the 2016 referendum are not democrats. And a lot of them are going to find that out sooner or later because, ultimately, they can’t escape the electoral consequences.

Anyway, TGIF. Off out now. You will have to get by this evening with just patting each other on the back stuff.

No one wants to deny you of your democratic rights. You have voted and the Brexiteers won the majority in the referendum. So far so good. However, if invoking article 50 violates any of the principles of the Good Friday agreement which the UK is a signatory to that agreement, then it is no longer a democratic matter, but a legal one. I don’t know if there are any legal issues that may conflict between article 50 and the Good Friday agreement. If there are, then they would need to be dealt with in the courts. Democracy is not absolute, or else, the majority may vote tomorrow to merry 13 year old girls in the UK despite being against the law. Do we allow the majority to have it their way or do we try to stop it with the courts? We just have to wait and see what happens and when it happens with Brexit, that’s all.

there is conflict which is why the attorney general said we may never get ouzt of the backstop. the northern irish market has to regulatory close allignment with the the south and people the people have complete freedom of movement. once uk moves away from bening alligned to the eu, than a border has to go up between northern ireland and the rest of the uk.

here is the Jonathon Powell who negotiated the good friday agreement explain it. i have put this up before and it has been ignored. listen to the man who wrote the fakin thing ffs.

if you listen to this clip you will understand the relationship with tgfa and brexit. he cannot make it any clearer. even the bbc reporter is flabagasted how little she understands it.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=710620146032381

the irony of all this is the northern ireland situation was never discussed because they had no idea what it meant. these are our negotiators that had no idea. during the talks it became obvious and eu insisted on it that legally the backstop has to apply to northern ireland. and the irony of all ironies is that it was may who changed it to include the whole uk.

i noticed somebody mentioned the fact that 398 mps voted to trigger article 50. well on 14th of march 413 mps voted to delay brexit. what was that vote if it was not against no deal brexit. there are people here who have mud in their eyes and ears.

what is democracy if the parliament vote is ignored. in fact the government tried to get their deal through parliament 3 times and it failed every time. now we have a rule that the same law cannot be voted on more than once in any session of parliament. and yet here is the house speaker allwoing the vote three time. and people say he is against brexiters. bullshit he is doing his job and will do what is right for parliament and people withour allowing one to walk all over the other. but ultimately we need a new election to resolve this as current parliament will not be able to do it. to allow no-deal brexit under these circumstances will be criminal.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu: 1.47pm. Apparently the lawyers are just sitting back until the right moment. Then they’re going to step in and call a halt to all this Brexit nonsense. After that we will it seems, like the beautiful Prince and Princess in their castle, live happily ever after.

Parliament has and always will vote against absolutely any deal/non deal. What makes you think I should accept that? They went to a lot of trouble to ask what I wanted and ever since have been hell bent on ignoring me. So, apparently in this “Democracy,” it boils down to my vote actually counts for nothing, if they don’t agree with it.

Do stop going on about “democracy”. People who’ve fought for over 3 years, using every devious device, arguing surreally about semantics and spouting Orwellian double-think, purely in order to overturn the 2016 referendum are not democrats. And a lot of them are going to find that out sooner or later because, ultimately, they can’t escape the electoral consequences.

Anyway, TGIF. Off out now. You will have to get by this evening with just patting each other on the back stuff.

No one wants to deny you of your democratic rights. You have voted and the Brexiteers won the majority in the referendum. So far so good. However, if invoking article 50 violates any of the principles of the Good Friday agreement which the UK is a signatory to that agreement, then it is no longer a democratic matter, but a legal one. I don’t know if there are any legal issues that may conflict between article 50 and the Good Friday agreement. If there are, then they would need to be dealt with in the courts. Democracy is not absolute, or else, the majority may vote tomorrow to merry 13 year old girls in the UK despite being against the law. Do we allow the majority to have it their way or do we try to stop it with the courts? We just have to wait and see what happens and when it happens with Brexit, that’s all.

there is conflict which is why the attorney general said we may never get ouzt of the backstop. the northern irish market has to regulatory close allignment with the the south and people the people have complete freedom of movement. once uk moves away from bening alligned to the eu, than a border has to go up between northern ireland and the rest of the uk.

here is the Jonathon Powell who negotiated the good friday agreement explain it. i have put this up before and it has been ignored. listen to the man who wrote the fakin thing ffs.

if you listen to this clip you will understand the relationship with tgfa and brexit. he cannot make it any clearer. even the bbc reporter is flabagasted how little she understands it.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=710620146032381

the irony of all this is the northern ireland situation was never discussed because they had no idea what it meant. these are our negotiators that had no idea. during the talks it became obvious and eu insisted on it that legally the backstop has to apply to northern ireland. and the irony of all ironies is that it was may who changed it to include the whole uk.

i noticed somebody mentioned the fact that 398 mps voted to trigger article 50. well on 14th of march 413 mps voted to delay brexit. what was that vote if it was not against no deal brexit. there are people here who have mud in their eyes and ears.

what is democracy if the parliament vote is ignored. in fact the government tried to get their deal through parliament 3 times and it failed every time. now we have a rule that the same law cannot be voted on more than once in any session of parliament. and yet here is the house speaker allwoing the vote three time. and people say he is against brexiters. bullshit he is doing his job and will do what is right for parliament and people withour allowing one to walk all over the other. but ultimately we need a new election to resolve this as current parliament will not be able to do it. to allow no-deal brexit under these circumstances will be criminal.

The guy in the video is spot on.

Unfortunately, there are some Brexiteers do not care if WWIII starts lets alone the return of the Irish problems as long as they get their Brexit from the EU.

[Kikapu]

May I make an assumption, that those on the forum who support remain are immigrants themselves who have lived/live in the UK, and those who support Brexit are British born but live in Cyprus or elsewhere, as well as the UK. If true, what does that tell us?

I assume you refer to eligible voters.
I am not, but I will be very glad to see the UK out knowing it will damage it. That will be a blessing day for me and I can't wait to celebrate it, hopefully by 1st of November. I am certain Get Real would be back in the forum to celebrate too..

Yes my friend, that’t What I meant.

I agree with you, that many in Cyprus and different parts of the world would like to see the UK get a bloody nose with their wanting to leave the EU, especially when the EU membership has benefited the UK economically big time. It seems the common denominator among the Brexiteers is immigrants coming to work in the UK from likes of Poland. This is why Brexiteers are seen as being “racists” regardless of whether it is true on not, but perception is everything sometimes.

But it hasn't in any obvious way - economic growth has slumped since joining the EU.

Of course, it is impossible to say what the outcome would have been otherwise but current figures (UK GDP growth vs. Germany for instance) would certainly indicate that EU membership has done the UK no favours...

If you watch the link below, you will see that the UK has more or less maintained it's economic position over the years .

Top 10 Country GDP Ranking History (1960-2017)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wykaDgXoajc

[Paphitis]

The backstop is easily solved with a couple of check points for Goods and trade to pass through to protect the common market.

The citizens of Ireland can come pass through as they please, with no change to their day to day lives.