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[Kikapu]

and before you start harking on about << re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty>> you must take into consideration that the perpetratos of the attack on roc were the griik sheepriots and griiiks. you can hardly put the bastards who tried had a coup back in power dear boy. common sense saya we shall return to a single state but not just bi-communal which it was before but with the added bit bi zonal. after all you do not open the cage of the tiger and let them loose in the streets right.

get your fakin thinking cap on for just a few segonds.

But Lordo, you are now contradicting yourself regarding changing of signed treaties unilaterally with your above justifications as to why Turkey did not return the state of affairs after 1974, especially when the main instigator of the coup was no longer in power, the Greek military junta.

no contradiciton there, only in your mind. the main instigator was groc. the establishment in cyprus which is still in control to this day no matter who is elected. junta has gone but the griik government policy has not changed over cyprus. the griik troops are stil in cyprus to this day and are still in control of the griik cypriot national guard.

who are you kidding. there is only one way forward and that is bbf. that is the accepted political reality today including the un. till bbf is achieved, with poitical equality between the two federal states which has been signed for terggy is not going anywhere. that is restoring the old state of affiars becasue tcs had that in 1960 with the veto. what the griik sheepriots want is not to go back to 1960 but to 1964 when they removed the veto by themselves which in itself is not legal under any court. I would love nothing more for griik sheepriots to accept the old state of affairs, and let tcs vote for their mps to take their place in roc parliament under 1960 constitutions. has any gc to this day suggested such a thig.

that does not mean i want the terggs to stay, i dislike gacos more than the average gc but majority of tcs believe in one simple phrase. denize dusen yilana sarilir deller.

till we have an agreement for the new state fo affairs there is nothing illegal about hwat terggy has done.

No, there is no going back to 1960, but also, there won’t be BBF today with 1960 terms in place as well as new ones with rotating presidency, no land adjustments based on ownership and population % ratio, all settlers remaining and anything that is against EU values. Present status quo will remain as is for the foreseeable future as there is very little incentives for the GCs to go into BBF with with the TCs and Turkey, especially when the money starts rolling in from the hydrocarbons.

you see what i mean, you are now contradicting yourself. on one side you are blamig terggy for not going back to the staus quo but on the other side you are saying your side does not want to either. hence the new deal. bbf becasue it is either that or two states. the only other possibility is confederation. unitary state is out. take your pick.
what eu rules are you talking about man, groc allows labour bonding. the eu accepted the the annan plan as did even griis. get over it.

bbf will be based on relaities of today as invisaged in 2004 with some changes or two state solution.

We’ll pick this topic up at another time at another thread.

[cyprusgrump]

There won't be any imaginary new trade partners with you guys, the cost of shipping to the US or Australia is huge, the EU will still be your main trade partner, and won't restrict your exports to member states with any strangling tariffs. It's your Government that will impose high protection tariffs on EU products just to suck your money.
Back to square 1.

Shipping is almost free these days... That is why you can buy stuff made in China for pennies...

Airfreight is obviously more expensive but no longer prohibitive.

And of course the UK can set tariffs as it chooses once it leaves the EU...

Almost free... yeah right. In most cases when it's actually not restricting is about 2-3 times the EU import tariff. Perhaps you never imported or exported anything.Try exporting plastic water pipes for example. Try sending your furniture from Cyprus to the UK....

You too just tell me which new exports will the UK achieve after Brexit.

Meh...

Sure, if you are shipping a personal container from CY to UK that might be expensive - but not prohibitively so...

However, we aren't talking single containers, we are talking industrial scale movement of goods... And then it becomes cheap.

That is why SuperHome is chock-full of cheap stuff made in China... That is why I'm enjoying a glass of South African wine right now which cost just a few €uros a bottle. That is why fruit and veg aren't 'seasonal' any more like it was when I was a kid, you can buy produce from all over the world all the year round and you don't have to pay an arm and a leg for it as transport has become so cheap.

[MR-from-NG]

The remaining EU members will do all they can to make life hell for the UK. Lorries with perishable goods will be forced to wait for custom clearance for days if not weeks and the load will end up in a landfill. The queues for cars and trucks will go on for miles. We will wait for hours to be processed when travelling into mainland Europe. UK has truly fucked itself good and proper. And as Milti says all for Little Britain. Racist bastards.

[cyprusgrump]

The remaining EU members will do all they can to make life hell for the UK. Lorries with perishable goods will be forced to wait for custom clearance for days if not weeks and the load will end up in a landfill. The queues for cars and trucks will go on for miles. We will wait for hours to be processed when travelling into mainland Europe. UK has truly fucked itself good and proper. And as Milti says all for Little Britain. Racist bastards.

And Project Fear rolls on regardless of the facts...

CALAIS PORTS CHIEF: NO DEAL SCAREMONGERING IS ‘LA BULLSHIT’

Senior French official Jean-Marc Puissesseau has dismissed fears of transport chaos around the Dover-Calais crossing as “C’est la bullshit”, saying: “Nothing is going to happen the day after Brexit… Britain will be a third country, that’s all, and there is no reason why this should lead to any problems. If both sides do their homework traffic will be completely fluid”. He should know, he’s only the head of the French channel ports…

He adds that while no deal would have been a problem in March “because nobody believed it was going to happen and they were all dragging their feet”, now everyone has an extra seven months is actually getting ready. Including the UK Government, this time…

Puissesseau accuses “certain individuals in the UK” of “whipping up this catastrophism for their own reasons”. Who could possibly want to do that…

[Lordo]

just how are we going to trade with france wihtout any agreed schedules to use from the wto agreement. what you call project fear misses the whole point. you cannot sail your ship up the river if the river is dry.

[MR-from-NG]

The remaining EU members will do all they can to make life hell for the UK. Lorries with perishable goods will be forced to wait for custom clearance for days if not weeks and the load will end up in a landfill. The queues for cars and trucks will go on for miles. We will wait for hours to be processed when travelling into mainland Europe. UK has truly fucked itself good and proper. And as Milti says all for Little Britain. Racist bastards.

And Project Fear rolls on regardless of the facts...

CALAIS PORTS CHIEF: NO DEAL SCAREMONGERING IS ‘LA BULLSHIT’

Senior French official Jean-Marc Puissesseau has dismissed fears of transport chaos around the Dover-Calais crossing as “C’est la bullshit”, saying: “Nothing is going to happen the day after Brexit… Britain will be a third country, that’s all, and there is no reason why this should lead to any problems. If both sides do their homework traffic will be completely fluid”. He should know, he’s only the head of the French channel ports…

He adds that while no deal would have been a problem in March “because nobody believed it was going to happen and they were all dragging their feet”, now everyone has an extra seven months is actually getting ready. Including the UK Government, this time…

Puissesseau accuses “certain individuals in the UK” of “whipping up this catastrophism for their own reasons”. Who could possibly want to do that…

He will be rubbing his hands and laughing his head off with the chaos in front of him. He isn't exactly going to make it public knowledge that he is waiting for the day to make our lives a living hell is he?

Here's a little challenge for you. A little bet if you like. 100 Euros says life will be hell after the 31st of October for UK. Lorries will line up for miles and stress levels of all concerned will be at their highest. If all goes as smooth as you claim you win. We will wait for a 100 days after we leave and then with the help of all forum members we will decide if its hell or heaven, as they say on Saturday Kitchen.

[MR-from-NG]

Btw, I take any bet for any amount form those that think life will be an easy ride for the UK after brexit.

[Londonrake]

I don’t think anybody’s been suffering from the illusion that it would be a walk in the park, particularly at first.

Given that the EU has a €10 billion per year trade surplus with the UK, in your apocalyptic fantasy what will the chaos be like on the other side of the channel?

What’s “racism”got to do with Brexit? Apart from helping Milti let off steam. I know a lot of people who voted to leave and that aspect’s never been mentioned by any of them. Not once. I suspect it’s more a reflection of your own views TBH. You seem to have a visceral hatred of British people. Otherwise referred to as .................... Wrong?

[MR-from-NG]

I don’t think anybody’s been suffering from the illusion that it would be a walk in the park, particularly at first.

Given that the EU has a €10 billion per year trade surplus with the UK, in your apocalyptic fantasy what will the chaos be like on the other side of the channel?

What’s “racism”got to do with Brexit? Apart from helping Milti let off steam. I know a lot of people who voted to leave and that aspect’s never been mentioned by any of them. Not once. I suspect it’s more a reflection of your own views TBH. You seem to have a visceral hatred of British people. Otherwise referred to as .................... Wrong?

Rest assured it will not be a "walk in the park" at any time. We will be in a state of shock and chaos for years to come and then with our tails between our legs will start negotiating our way back into the EU. We will be the laughing stock of the world.

I have a visceral hatred of British people? Really? How the fuck did you come up with that one? Show me one fucking post that's antibrit. I have made this place my home since 1964. With the attempt of genocide by my Greek cousins my father, fearing for our lives emigrated here in 64. We tried returning permanently in 77 and lasted 9 years, we all came back home to England in 86 and we all decided England was possibly, no, probably the best place in the world to live in. I'm grateful they welcomed us with open arms and gave us opportunity to better ourselves. I'm a frequent traveller and have visited all the places I dreamt of visiting and I can tell you from a first-hand experience England is the best country in the world.

[MR-from-NG]

I don’t think anybody’s been suffering from the illusion that it would be a walk in the park, particularly at first.

Given that the EU has a €10 billion per year trade surplus with the UK, in your apocalyptic fantasy what will the chaos be like on the other side of the channel?

What’s “racism”got to do with Brexit? Apart from helping Milti let off steam. I know a lot of people who voted to leave and that aspect’s never been mentioned by any of them. Not once. I suspect it’s more a reflection of your own views TBH. You seem to have a visceral hatred of British people. Otherwise referred to as .................... Wrong?

Btw, I challenged CG to a bet based on the first 100 days of brexit. I challenge you to a bet too and I'll even let you choose the time-frame for when the UK will be a bed of roses. I'll cover any amount you choose to bet.