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[Lordo]

may blackmailed the both remainers and brexiteers and failed and so will bojo blackmailing the remainers. he has managed to unite remainers and those against no deal brexit. he hasn't got cat in hell chance of forcing it through. hell wil freeze over first

by the way gina miller does not need any help from anybody to do what she did. she is a very interesting person.

Gina Miller is a Guyanese-British business owner and activist who initiated the 2016 R (Miller) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union court case against the British government over its authority to implement Brexit without approval from Parliament. She also founded the True and Fair Campaign in 2012, calling for an end to financial misconduct in the investment and pension industries and founded the the True and Fair Foundation.

it is no wonder the city boys hate her guts, she stepped on her toes after all they were looking forward to a bit of freedom from eu laws to defraud the british public.

good on you girl. this is what you call girl power. she has more balls than all brexiteer men put together

this picture wil be taken just after the election.

[Paphitis]

Yeh like a poke in the eye they stand behind him.

His own MPs don't even like him and prefer to vote for BOJO.

What you guys don't get is that Article 50 has been triggered, and the UK is AUTOMATICALLY out of the EU on the 1st of November unless BOJO asks for an extension and the EU grant it.

BOJO isn't asking for an extension unless the EU decide to negotiate at the eleventh hour.

So how many days left now fellas?

[cyprusgrump]

Vermouth and other wine of fresh grapes flavoured with plants or aromatic substances €0.11 per liter

https://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.h ... country=IL

Perhaps you could outline the tariffs the EU imposes on coffee and sugar for instance...?

Get yourself a cup of coffee before you start, it is a very long and complex list...

Oh and I think you'll find 45% in there somewhere too...

[cyprusgrump]

There won't be any imaginary new trade partners with you guys, the cost of shipping to the US or Australia is huge, the EU will still be your main trade partner, and won't restrict your exports to member states with any strangling tariffs. It's your Government that will impose high protection tariffs on EU products just to suck your money.
Back to square 1.

Shipping is almost free these days... That is why you can buy stuff made in China for pennies...

Airfreight is obviously more expensive but no longer prohibitive.

And of course the UK can set tariffs as it chooses once it leaves the EU...

[erolz66]

According to current EU Law, citizens of the EU could just go to Britain for expensive treatments from the NHS and that non immigrants who do not work in Britain and have no intention of working in Britain. Apparently, according to EU law, every EU citizens is entitled to NHS.

Now that is completely unreasonable and unsustainable for Britain.

Not only is it unreasonable it is also completely untrue as well. The requirement to be entitled for NHS treatment is to be 'ordinarily resident' in the UK. This is the case if you are a UK citizen, an EU citizen or a third country national. I , as UK citizen, was born and lived and worked in the UK for first 40 odd years of my like, paid tax and NI contributions. If I go back to the UK to visit I am not entitled to NHS care. You need to be resident. That is the rule. Your claims to me just look like ill informed attempts at scaremongering.

[Kikapu]

Let me get this straight. The UK government via PM May signs a deal with the EU which the British Parliament rejects and that’s OK for the Brexiteers, but when the British Parliament rejects a no deal Brexit, then that is not OK with the Brexiteers

As for NI Protestants causing trouble in the event UK decides to let it go, not much would happen if the British soldiers are not there to back them up. NI when joined to the Republic would not need the £9B from the UK whatsoever either.

May couldn’t sign an agreement, anymore than Barnier can. It was subject to acceptance by the UK parliament. That was rejected - 3 times, We have Gina Miller and her “anonymous backers” to thank for that. The “Meaningful vote”. Thank you Gina!

The so-called rejection of no deal isn’t binding on the government. Article 50 and the current exit date of 31st Oct is however enshrined in law. Courtesy of a quite large majority of MP’s votes
Like I said, try actually looking into what you’re talking about.

No deal Brexit may not be binding on the government, however, the UK courts have ruled that the British Parliament has legal rights to vote on a no deal Brexit, thanks to Gina Miller, and so far, overwhelming number of MPs, both Tories and Labour, have voted against it. Now surely, if the parliament takes votes democratically, the no deal Brexit too needs to be respected just as the referendum by the people was, providing it meets all the legal challenges, and the no deal Brexit is one of the legal challenges.

So the question still stands, as to why do the Brexiteers accept parliament’s no vote on the agreed withdrawal agreement with the EU but they reject the legal challenge to a no deal Brexit with the same body?

[Lordo]

here is another bit of lunacy. bojo claims that backstop is not democratic and he does not do it diplomatically he does it openly. that is a totally new form of negotiation. i only wish anastasiades did the same so my gc friends here actually could see what he is doing. just how long have the population of any country in the world been able to negate an international agreement by simply their own population voting on it.
as we ourselves found out, you cannot sign an international agreement that walks all over a previous one. backstop is like one of those huge glacier type boulders delivered long ago and no amount of effort can remove them by a single individual. another glacier may be able to do it.
boris says it is undemocratic and must be removed. it has nothing to do with democracy. Internatioal agreement was signed by democratically ellected people. get over it. now this does not mean we cannot have brexit ourselves after all we supposedly voted for it but what it means is we cannot impose it on ireland whether the northern irish people voted for it or not. the problem is to understand such things you need you need at list two brain cells. the problem with two cell-brained brexiteers is that they are in grave danger cause if the two cells so much as look at each other they are likely to blow up, so don't cross them what ever you do.
and in reality only 13 million people voted for the tories and it is a fact that not all those who voted for them were no=deal brexiteers. bojo is full of shit and he will be discarded in the dustbins of history for the piece of shit he and his government are.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49402840

[B25]

here is another bit of lunacy. bojo claims that backstop is not democratic and he does not do it diplomatically he does it openly. that is a totally new form of negotiation. i only wish anastasiades did the same so my gc friends here actually could see what he is doing. just how long have the population of any country in the world been able to negate an international agreement by simply their own population voting on it.
as we ourselves found out, you cannot sign an international agreement that walks all over a previous one. backstop is like one of those huge glacier type boulders delivered long ago and no amount of effort can remove them by a single individual. another glacier may be able to do it.
boris says it is undemocratic and must be removed. it has nothing to do with democracy. Internatioal agreement was signed by democratically ellected people. get over it. now this does not mean we cannot have brexit ourselves after all we supposedly voted for it but what it means is we cannot impose it on ireland whether the northern irish people voted for it or not. the problem is to understand such things you need you need at list two brain cells. the problem with two cell-brained brexiteers is that they are in grave danger cause if the two cells so much as look at each other they are likely to blow up, so don't cross them what ever you do.
and in reality only 13 million people voted for the tories and it is a fact that not all those who voted for them were no=deal brexiteers. bojo is full of shit and he will be discarded in the dustbins of history for the piece of shit he and his government are.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49402840

So tell us, oh lord and master, what international agreement allows Turkey to illegally occupy 37% of our island, evict 200,000 GCs from their homes, murder and rape thousands not to mention the missing persons, and institutionally sell our properties to scum bag Brits and other foreigners. You keep banking on about all these international rules agreements yet you are the worst fucking offenders going. I mean wtf, so much BS emanating from your side its unreal.

[Pyrpolizer]

There won't be any imaginary new trade partners with you guys, the cost of shipping to the US or Australia is huge, the EU will still be your main trade partner, and won't restrict your exports to member states with any strangling tariffs. It's your Government that will impose high protection tariffs on EU products just to suck your money.
Back to square 1.

It's not that much.

There are massive super tankers and ships going back and forth all the time and the transport costs on the flow are not excessive.

Fact is, USA has the cheapest cost of living than all of us when it comes to food, clothing and other things like that, including electronics, computers and other tech products.

We also already trade with Britain and other EU countries, including Cyprus. BTW, you guys sell Australian Lamb at your supermarkets for 5 friggin Euros. That's dirt cheap. It's charged out at 3 times that amount in Australia. Just one example. So whatever the transport cost is, it isn't much at all for your chains to be selling it this cheap.

Trade between Australia and EU surpassed $75 Billion in 2017 and increasing year after year.

https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-fo ... agreement/

https://dfat.gov.au/about-us/publicatio ... the-eu.pdf

And BTW, it's not as if the UK can't trade with the EU. It can, and it will trade with the EU. In fact, it will still be able to trade with the EU under the current system for another 2 years at least and this can still be extended up to 10 years.

Also, Norway and Switzerland trade with the EU. They are not EU members. Britain will be no different.

That's not what I said !
I just countered the argument that current EU tariffs are preventing trade with 3rd countries for the purpose of collecting money for the EU system.
What's preventing it is the shipping cost plus the import tariffs of the destination countries, which for high volume or high weight-low price products (e.g. plastics, Aluminum etc) makes it non profitable.
Even for high price low volume products e.g. meat, would you as a British meat producer get a better deal exporting it FROZEN to Australia paying 8-10,000 Euros per 40' /40 ton fridge container rather than exporting it to Europe FRESH for 2,000?
There won't be any new trade horizons after Brexit, that's all.
Besides what the UK will need after Brexit is new exports, not new imports! New imports is easy new imbalanced trade(more imports than exports) is easiest thing to do...
Can you tell me on what products the UK will achieve higher exports after Brexit, than what it does now??

Btw there is no fresh lamb in Cyprus from Australia or New Zealand at the price of 5 Euros. What may exist is FROZEN, but we prefer to pay 6 euros to get it fresh from Greece or Bulgaria.
Now if you are paying triple the price down there in Holy-Rosy-Not Australia, perhaps you should try finding the reasons in local cartels.

As for the UK continuing to trade with the EU for 2 years, that's only true if she exits with current deal. If no deal it will be treated like a 3rd Country from day 1!

[Lordo]

no i did not say that, i said the guarantee cannot be removed by the wishes of the gcs and the griiks alone just voting on it. as you must know, in 1967 the griiik sheepriot government voted on the matter in 1967 and not only to remove the guarantee but to enosise with griis.

as to legal right, you are in a bind there because in the guarantee agreement it says:

Article IV
In the event of a breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom undertake to consult together with respect to the representations or measures necessary to ensure observance of those provisions.

In so far as common or concerted action may not prove possible, each the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs created by the present Treaty.

well the terggs were not going to get an agreement to take action from the two signatories who attacked the roc, themselves and griiis. i mean on a scale of 10 to 10 how stupid are you to be so fakin blind to the relaities of what you have caused from 1963 to this day. i would say ten thousand million percent

and there my friend is the reason. as yet gcs have not agreed to the solution of the problem they and griiks created in 1974. and hence terggy can stay in cyprus. and i can tell the the tcs wouldl ove to see the terggish army leave cyprus but you boys vetoed it in 2004. talk of tergggys voting for christmas. well i can forgive you for that as you are pretend chritian ottoman remenants with at least 5% griik in your dna

do what grumpy does put a bucket on your head and pretend nothing is what it is. you will feel better for it but be careful don't kick the bucket will you, that is dangerous.