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[Kikapu]

But the EU has reached a fair deal with the UK and it was accepted by PM May. If the UK wants to have a better deal, they need to sign Northern Ireland to Éire then everyone will be happy as there won’t be the “backstop” problem.

It wasn't "fair" and it wasn't accepted. In fact it was rejected - three times.

No, the UK doesn't have to sign Northern Ireland over to the Republic, at all. Should anything like that even attempt to come about you would surely find the northern protestants would make "the troubles" seem like a kindergarten squabble. Moreover, the north would suddenly discover that without the UK's £9 billion a year subsidy, life would suddenly get a lot bleaker. A case of - be careful what you wish for?

Please, do try to look into things a bit.

Let me get this straight. The UK government via PM May signs a deal with the EU which the British Parliament rejects and that’s OK for the Brexiteers, but when the British Parliament rejects a no deal Brexit, then that is not OK with the Brexiteers

As for NI Protestants causing trouble in the event UK decides to let it go, not much would happen if the British soldiers are not there to back them up. NI when joined to the Republic would not need the £9B from the UK whatsoever either.

[Londonrake]

Let me get this straight. The UK government via PM May signs a deal with the EU which the British Parliament rejects and that’s OK for the Brexiteers, but when the British Parliament rejects a no deal Brexit, then that is not OK with the Brexiteers

As for NI Protestants causing trouble in the event UK decides to let it go, not much would happen if the British soldiers are not there to back them up. NI when joined to the Republic would not need the £9B from the UK whatsoever either.

May couldn’t sign an agreement, anymore than Barnier can. It was subject to acceptance by the UK parliament. That was rejected - 3 times, We have Gina Miller and her “anonymous backers” to thank for that. The “Meaningful vote”. Thank you Gina!

The so-called rejection of no deal isn’t binding on the government. Article 50 and the current exit date of 31st Oct is however enshrined in law. Courtesy of a quite large majority of MP’s votes.

You have obviously never been to NI. If you think the 900,000 Protestants there are going to meekly accept absorption into the Republic you’re a fantacist. What troops did the IRA have to support them? Before casually donating £9 billion per annum of Eire’s budget to the north please do have a look at their resources. Without that sort of support they’re going to have a lot of problems, including a great deal of unemployment. Both orange and green.

Like I said, try actually looking into what you’re talking about.

[Pyrpolizer]

You guys are talking for "protectionist" EU tariffs but I'd bet none of you even cared to check it out.
In short you don't know what you are talking about. The Eu tariffs are nothing but "protectionist".
In fact they are very low.

I remember before we entered the EU import tariffs here in Cyprus were never below 25- 35%+ .Only after the spread of the personal computers we ever witnessed something as low as 5% for PCs.

Check it out how much "protectionism" fine French wines (With a protected designation of origin) gets for example.
Is 32 cents per liter for a wine that cells minimum 5 Euro "protectionism" LOL??
https://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.h ... country=RU

0% from Israel btw.
https://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.h ... country=IL

I'd bet the Brits will have the shock of their lives regarding real protectionist tariffs after Brexit.

[Pyrpolizer]

Vermouth and other wine of fresh grapes flavoured with plants or aromatic substances €0.11 per liter

https://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.h ... country=IL

[Pyrpolizer]

There won't be any imaginary new trade partners with you guys, the cost of shipping to the US or Australia is huge, the EU will still be your main trade partner, and won't restrict your exports to member states with any strangling tariffs. It's your Government that will impose high protection tariffs on EU products just to suck your money.
Back to square 1.

[Paphitis]

What happens after the 7 years?

It's only natural that the NHS would be a major incentive for mass migration to the UK from the continent and this would put pressure on the NHS, perhaps make it even more unaffordable for the Government and eventually get the chop!

I think you are being ridiculous as its highly doubtful British workplace laws and worker conditions are in any way lacking to any of the other EU states.

Another thing. Feeding prisoners and making sure they are healthy is a fundamental human right.

Universal health care isn't. It's just a service the British taxpayer pays for as a safety net for vulnerable people. It is a service that can be taken away if it becomes too expensive, so its the Government's responsibility to ensure that the system remains semi affordable to the British taxpayer. If the British Government sees that the system is bleeding money from excessive EU immigration, then it would be very prudent for them to stop this in order to protect the NHS. If they do not stop this, then eventually, the NHS gets the axe. It's harsh reality.

After 7 years it was meant to go back to where it was before the 7 years of non benefits kicked in.

You cannot tax immigrants and not give them public benefits that everyone else enjoys, regardless whether local citizens are working or not. If you do not want to give any public benefits to the legal immigrants, then tax them far less than the locals, so that they can afford to buy private medical insurance and educate their kids. The state cannot tax them then tell them they have to pay for everything else out of pocket or the state does away with public benefits altogether and taxes everyone very little so that everyone pays out of pocket. Besides, we were told that the NHS will receive £350m per week money saved from EU membership, which will support all public services.

I'm sorry Kikapu but I don't agree.

Cameron was correct. VISA workers know under what pretense they come to the UK or any other country with great Health care and Social Security. They are not citizens. We alsoi have great tax free thresholds which in Australia is about 23,000 per year before they pay tax. Fact is, most immigrants do not pay tax and do not start work. They come in the hope of a better life. But it isn't easy and it takes a while.

There should be a period before they have access to these benefits - say 5 years. Otherwise they are just going to come to Britain for treatments.

According to current EU Law, citizens of the EU could just go to Britain for expensive treatments from the NHS and that non immigrants who do not work in Britain and have no intention of working in Britain. Apparently, according to EU law, every EU citizens is entitled to NHS.

Now that is completely unreasonable and unsustainable for Britain.

[Paphitis]

So Plonkers you really believe that exiting the EU will be beneficial to our economy !!
Almost forgot, you don't give a shit about the economy you just want your country back, no more Eastern Europeans just a load more third world economic/ asylum seekers, immigrants. Why are you so jealous of Germany ? Could it be that Germany is top dog in Europe?

Yep I do!

It will be beneficial to Britain in EVERY respect including the economy in the longer run when the dust settles.

[Paphitis]

WIDER EU ENGAGEMENT PLAN TO ROLL OUT FROM NEXT WEEK

The Prime Minister’s meetings with Chancellor Merkel on Wednesday and President Macron on Thursday will play as a pre-curser to a new ‘wider engagement strategy’ with European countries, Guido understands.

Despite overzealous media interpretations of No Deal planning, it remains the UK’s intention to deliver a deal that can pass through Parliament, and to that end bilateral conversations will ramp up following this weekend’s G7 summit. The EU will still have to drop the Backstop for meaningful FTA engagement…

While Michael Gove’s Cabinet Office is focused on No Deal planning domestically, Stephen Barclay’s DExEU is laying the groundwork for negotiations to reopen in four weeks’ time. The Government is not expecting the EU’s united front to crack until they see Remainer attempts to thwart the UK leaving on 31st October fail at the beginning of September. Ironically the people who are most jeopardising the chances of obtaining a fair deal and avoiding No Deal are the so-called ‘anti-No Deal rebels’…

But the EU has reached a fair deal with the UK and it was accepted by PM May. If the UK wants to have a better deal, they need to sign Northern Ireland to Éire then everyone will be happy as there won’t be the “backstop” problem.

No that deal was rejected by British Parliament leaving NO DEAL BREXIT as the only option unless the EU want to try and find new compromise deal.

We are basically at the default option now - WTO terms as it stands.

[Lordo]

the prestant bustards have not really fully realised the significants of brexyt and the good friday agreement. when they do they will realise what they have agreed to.

the legal defualt in ireland is no controls and even reguations have to be alligned to the south. what that means in english is that should they somehow manage to have a no deal brexit, there will be a border between ireland and the rest of uk. i know how you brexteers love the law and love to apply it to the letter and the good friday agreement will be rammed down the dup's throat.

of course it will take some time but sooner or later an international agreement signed stands. just like the treaty of guarantee in cyprus. unless all the signatories negate it, it will be ready all grissed up an all.

one brexiteer the other day tried to expalin that if we have shortages on medication america will supply us. The americans themselves are wondering why they are paying on average 10 times as much for medication as the canadians. but once we explain it to martin shekrelli will be very understanding.

stop worrying we will be ok.

[Paphitis]

There won't be any imaginary new trade partners with you guys, the cost of shipping to the US or Australia is huge, the EU will still be your main trade partner, and won't restrict your exports to member states with any strangling tariffs. It's your Government that will impose high protection tariffs on EU products just to suck your money.
Back to square 1.

It's not that much.

There are massive super tankers and ships going back and forth all the time and the transport costs on the flow are not excessive.

Fact is, USA has the cheapest cost of living than all of us when it comes to food, clothing and other things like that, including electronics, computers and other tech products.

We also already trade with Britain and other EU countries, including Cyprus. BTW, you guys sell Australian Lamb at your supermarkets for 5 friggin Euros. That's dirt cheap. It's charged out at 3 times that amount in Australia. Just one example. So whatever the transport cost is, it isn't much at all for your chains to be selling it this cheap.

Trade between Australia and EU surpassed $75 Billion in 2017 and increasing year after year.

https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-fo ... agreement/

https://dfat.gov.au/about-us/publicatio ... the-eu.pdf

And BTW, it's not as if the UK can't trade with the EU. It can, and it will trade with the EU. In fact, it will still be able to trade with the EU under the current system for another 2 years at least and this can still be extended up to 10 years.

Also, Norway and Switzerland trade with the EU. They are not EU members. Britain will be no different.