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[erolz66]

Having made the decision to leave, surely don’t we pay politicians and civil servants enough to make the decisions on the details as to how to implement it? Isn't that what we pay them fore?

I consider people can validly 'have their say' indirectly via the votes of the MP's that they elected. You are the one who is claiming it is irrelevant what a given Mp's electorate want in terms of how those MP's should make their decisions on how we leave.

I have NO PROBLEM in the idea that how we leave should be decided by MP's at all. None at all. I suspect there are quite a few leavers who have problems with this however. I do have a problem with how effectively they have managed to this to date but not with the concept at all.

What’s wrong with carrying on as we have done for the last few years in trade with the EU? If it means just changing the numbers on a customs form, or not applying EU Law but UK Law ..... that’s where you work out differences. Gradually over time you get an agreed system. But where EU Law clashes with UK Law then we should have the right to apply our Laws in Our country.

You appear to me to so fundamentally misunderstand what that 'levels of trading relationships is' that I do not have the will to explain much more. The clue as to your almost total misunderstanding for me is in the idea which level you can and do trade at is down what number you put on a form.

At present I don’t believe you can buy Cyprus banana’s in the EU because they don’t comply with the EU regulations.

You are just wrong in that belief. Try doing some research and get back to me. The reality as opposed to the myth about the EU and bananas is that the EU has never regulated on what kind of bananas (from a source like Cyprus) can be sold. It has only regulated how such things can be classified.

[cyprusgrump]

In the end, the majority of the voters decide, as they have with Brexit, so the next referendum would have nothing to do with Brexit, but only should the UK re entering the EU or not. Totally different referendum altogether.

Well, that has got to be the most ridiculous sentence ever posted on the subject!

So the referendum to immediately reverse Brexit would have nothing to do with Brexit?

You know, Leavers like my good self have a phrase for the madness that seems to overtake some Remainers, we call it Brexit Derangement Syndrome...

You may well laugh as what I have written being ridiculous, but there isn’t anything ridiculous about it. Surely you must believe in Democracy and that the majority vote rules, no? You will get your Brexit implemented, so where is the faul play? Surely you do not want to deny others democratic right to vote should the UK become an EU member or not, once the UK is no longer an EU member once Brexit has been implemented? Well?

I do believe in democracy...

So...

There is no point re-running a vote until the demos have had a chance to see if their decision was correct....

Your position is akin to going to the supermarket, choosing between various brands of baked beans, buying one and then taking the unopened tin back because 'you don't like them'...

[erolz66]

Londonrake you still out there ? Still waiting for the next response to this little exchange. Anyone ?

If you're truly a "democrat", it's actually so simple.

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Would you not agree as a 'democrat' with the above ? If not why not ?

[Kikapu]

In the end, the majority of the voters decide, as they have with Brexit, so the next referendum would have nothing to do with Brexit, but only should the UK re entering the EU or not. Totally different referendum altogether.

Well, that has got to be the most ridiculous sentence ever posted on the subject!

So the referendum to immediately reverse Brexit would have nothing to do with Brexit?

You know, Leavers like my good self have a phrase for the madness that seems to overtake some Remainers, we call it Brexit Derangement Syndrome...

You may well laugh as what I have written being ridiculous, but there isn’t anything ridiculous about it. Surely you must believe in Democracy and that the majority vote rules, no? You will get your Brexit implemented, so where is the faul play? Surely you do not want to deny others democratic right to vote should the UK become an EU member or not, once the UK is no longer an EU member once Brexit has been implemented? Well?

I do believe in democracy...

So...

There is no point re-running a vote until the demos have had a chance to see if their decision was correct....

Your position is akin to going to the supermarket, choosing between various brands of baked beans, buying one and then taking the unopened tin back because 'you don't like them'...

People return goods back to the store all the time for many reasons for refund, exchange or credit. What’s your point?

I’m not even suggesting returning anything back to the store for refund, exchange or credit, but want to buy something else along next to what was already bought! Totally different transaction altogether, no?

[cyprusgrump]

In the end, the majority of the voters decide, as they have with Brexit, so the next referendum would have nothing to do with Brexit, but only should the UK re entering the EU or not. Totally different referendum altogether.

Well, that has got to be the most ridiculous sentence ever posted on the subject!

So the referendum to immediately reverse Brexit would have nothing to do with Brexit?

You know, Leavers like my good self have a phrase for the madness that seems to overtake some Remainers, we call it Brexit Derangement Syndrome...

You may well laugh as what I have written being ridiculous, but there isn’t anything ridiculous about it. Surely you must believe in Democracy and that the majority vote rules, no? You will get your Brexit implemented, so where is the faul play? Surely you do not want to deny others democratic right to vote should the UK become an EU member or not, once the UK is no longer an EU member once Brexit has been implemented? Well?

I do believe in democracy...

So...

There is no point re-running a vote until the demos have had a chance to see if their decision was correct....

Your position is akin to going to the supermarket, choosing between various brands of baked beans, buying one and then taking the unopened tin back because 'you don't like them'...

People return goods back to the store all the time for many reasons for refund, exchange or credit. What’s your point?

I’m not even suggesting returning anything back to the store for refund, exchange or credit, but want to buy something else along next to what was already bought! Totally different transaction altogether, no?

No...

Unless you are happy to re-run every GE of course...

[erolz66]

Londonrake you still out there ? Still waiting for the next response to this little exchange. Anyone ?

If you're truly a "democrat", it's actually so simple.

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Would you not agree as a 'democrat' with the above ? If not why not ?

[Kikapu]

No...

Unless you are happy to re-run every GE of course...

Well, you are totally wrong, because it would be a totally new transaction/referendum. That is Democracy no matter which way you look at it, which may work against some and work in favour of others. No one wins all the time. Brexiters have won, now lets see if the EU membership wanters will do just as well or not, but they must be given their democratic rights to try it. That's the system we live under and the rules cannot be changed by one side unilaterally, unless it is done by the Turkish government in Turkey, but then again, they do not have democracy there, right?

[erolz66]

Londonrake you still out there ? Still waiting for the next response to this little exchange. Anyone ? The silence is getting louder and louder and it becomes more and more telling the louder it gets.

Is there any leaver out there with the honesty to address this ?

If you're truly a "democrat", it's actually so simple.

Yes it really is very very simple. The people should NEVER have anything imposed on them that a majority of them do not want. If there is even marginal doubt on what it really is that the people do or do not want in majority it should be tested and not assumed.

Would you not agree as a 'democrat' with the above ? If not why not ?

[Lordo]

can anybody explain why since 2016this government carried out 60 studies on how brexit will affect us but not pubished one. you would think these studies would have been done and publsihed before vote so peple could understand what they were voting for.

can anybody explain how the eu would be able to remove the backstop? worse still whats to stop the backstop being applied to the northern ireland even if we do crash out with no deal?

[erolz66]

the backstop being applied to the northern ireland even if we do crash out with no deal?

Do you mean whats to stop the backstop being applied, without the UK's consent, to the northern ireland even if we do crash out with no deal?

Or do you mean whats to stop the EU insisting on such after a no deal and in the absence of any form of trade that means it is not necessary ?