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[Paphitis]

There was a German MEP who stood up today and admitted that the EU will be in worse off under a NO DEAL BREXIT. She said, German manufacturing could face a crisis, and slip into recession and she blamed the EU for the current situation with Britain.

She said that Germany and Britain have always had good relations and that the EU have damaged this relationship but that in the end their relationship has such a solid based that both countries will overcome the issues and repair their bilateral engagement.

She then turned to the other EU criminals and asked them what was so bad with the conditions asked by David Cameron. All Britain asked for is that EU migrants to the UK not be allowed to access the NHS and British Social Security immediately which is completely fair enough. EU recalcitrance bought upon this train wreck and now it's time to pay!

On one of the 2 documentaries I have seen on TV recently on the subject (Portillo. The trouble with the Tories), Cameron was asking the EU for 13 years of denying the new EU citizen immigrants of any U.K. benefits with the option to extend. The EU gave Cameron 7 years without any extension, so I don’t know what this German MEP is talking about the EU denying Cameron what he asked for.

These are two different episodes despite the same introductions in the beginning...a must watch of both episodes!

Episode 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AgpAY1ZpXY

Episode 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJoKZORogdI

Maybe that is what she was referring to.

She mentioned that Cameron's requests were not unreasonable and that the EUs positions in commandeering the British NHS and Social Security System to the rest of the EU was bad.

Either way, what Cameron requested was spot on. Britain couldn't afford to be the the EUs NHS provider and pay for every tom dick and harry who chose to take advantage of Britain's Socialist infrastructure. The reason why Britain can afford to have such great things for its citizens is because it could restrict access to other EU citizens. Otherwise even the Brits will eventually lose the NHS and other benefits.

This German MEP sounded quite reasonable and intelligent to me. She spoke the truth. Britain hasn't done anything wrong and just wants out of the EU.

Paphitis, you do understand that benefits given in the UK to people are not free to anyone as it all comes out from taxes people pay through different sources, from direct income tax to sales tax (VAT) to poll tax if they still have it. I have been out of the UK for 40 years therefore I am neither eligible to such benefits nor do I receive them or want them. Surely you cannot expect EU immigrants coming to the UK to work and pay taxes and not receive anything in return from the NHS, education and housing should they fall on bad times. Either make the NHS & education private so that everyone has private medical coverage like in Switzerland and the USA or if it's a government run system with tax payer's system, then everyone is entitled to it as long as they are legal to be in the UK. How can a country have a two tier system, treating new immigrants as second class citizens by denying them any benefits all a while taking their tax moneys? What if you have sick people who are denied medical services and they are working next to you or be around your family members at shopping malls with communicable diseases? I am surprised the EU even agreed to give Cameron 7 years allowance to deny new immigrants from the EU of these public services, just to keep cry baby UK happy. The more UK took from the EU rules the more they wanted, which is why the EU in many ways is happy to let the UK go it's merry way without a no deal should it happen, as there is still a question mark whether it will happen or not. Just few thing to think about when denying legal immigrants benefits that they have earned through their taxes, just like any other UK citizens.

Gee Kikapu of course I know it’s not free. We get the double whammy in Australia because not only do we pay for Medicare but half of us pay expensive insurance policies for extras like elective surgeries and other treatments in private hospitals.

We have Medicare in Australia which is just like the British NHS. We are taxed to high hell for it and if Britain stays in the EU it would probably become unsustainable because of all the free loaders from the continent who are entitled to come and use the NHS infrastructure without putting in.

People got to realize that Governments are not going to always be able to provide such great things paid for by the tax payer if there is not enough tax being collected.

Consider NHS something that exists today and could be gone tomorrow if you are not careful. Cameron wanted to protect the UK’s NHS because why the heck should an EU citizen who just arrived in Britain be entitled to this treasure trove when they haven’t put in?

When workers come to Australia to work, on work visas are not entitled to Medicare. They need to have insurance. Either have insurance or wing it.

[cyprusgrump]

Poll: Most Britons Prefer a No-Deal Brexit over a Prime Minister Corbyn and Second Referendum

A poll has revealed that most Britons back a no-deal Brexit over Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn becoming a caretaker prime minister and calling a second EU referendum.
The YouGov poll published Saturday revealed that 48 per cent of Britons back the UK leaving the EU “without a Brexit deal, but Jeremy Corbyn does not become prime minister”, versus 35 per cent who said they would prefer that “Jeremy Corbyn becomes prime minister and holds a second referendum on EU membership including an option to stay in the EU.”

[Kikapu]

There was a German MEP who stood up today and admitted that the EU will be in worse off under a NO DEAL BREXIT. She said, German manufacturing could face a crisis, and slip into recession and she blamed the EU for the current situation with Britain.

She said that Germany and Britain have always had good relations and that the EU have damaged this relationship but that in the end their relationship has such a solid based that both countries will overcome the issues and repair their bilateral engagement.

She then turned to the other EU criminals and asked them what was so bad with the conditions asked by David Cameron. All Britain asked for is that EU migrants to the UK not be allowed to access the NHS and British Social Security immediately which is completely fair enough. EU recalcitrance bought upon this train wreck and now it's time to pay!

On one of the 2 documentaries I have seen on TV recently on the subject (Portillo. The trouble with the Tories), Cameron was asking the EU for 13 years of denying the new EU citizen immigrants of any U.K. benefits with the option to extend. The EU gave Cameron 7 years without any extension, so I don’t know what this German MEP is talking about the EU denying Cameron what he asked for.

These are two different episodes despite the same introductions in the beginning...a must watch of both episodes!

Episode 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AgpAY1ZpXY

Episode 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJoKZORogdI

Maybe that is what she was referring to.

She mentioned that Cameron's requests were not unreasonable and that the EUs positions in commandeering the British NHS and Social Security System to the rest of the EU was bad.

Either way, what Cameron requested was spot on. Britain couldn't afford to be the the EUs NHS provider and pay for every tom dick and harry who chose to take advantage of Britain's Socialist infrastructure. The reason why Britain can afford to have such great things for its citizens is because it could restrict access to other EU citizens. Otherwise even the Brits will eventually lose the NHS and other benefits.

This German MEP sounded quite reasonable and intelligent to me. She spoke the truth. Britain hasn't done anything wrong and just wants out of the EU.

Paphitis, you do understand that benefits given in the UK to people are not free to anyone as it all comes out from taxes people pay through different sources, from direct income tax to sales tax (VAT) to poll tax if they still have it. I have been out of the UK for 40 years therefore I am neither eligible to such benefits nor do I receive them or want them. Surely you cannot expect EU immigrants coming to the UK to work and pay taxes and not receive anything in return from the NHS, education and housing should they fall on bad times. Either make the NHS & education private so that everyone has private medical coverage like in Switzerland and the USA or if it's a government run system with tax payer's system, then everyone is entitled to it as long as they are legal to be in the UK. How can a country have a two tier system, treating new immigrants as second class citizens by denying them any benefits all a while taking their tax moneys? What if you have sick people who are denied medical services and they are working next to you or be around your family members at shopping malls with communicable diseases? I am surprised the EU even agreed to give Cameron 7 years allowance to deny new immigrants from the EU of these public services, just to keep cry baby UK happy. The more UK took from the EU rules the more they wanted, which is why the EU in many ways is happy to let the UK go it's merry way without a no deal should it happen, as there is still a question mark whether it will happen or not. Just few thing to think about when denying legal immigrants benefits that they have earned through their taxes, just like any other UK citizens.

Gee Kikapu of course I know it’s not free. We get the double whammy in Australia because not only do we pay for Medicare but half of us pay expensive insurance policies for extras like elective surgeries and other treatments in private hospitals.

We have Medicare in Australia which is just like the British NHS. We are taxed to high hell for it and if Britain stays in the EU it would probably become unsustainable because of all the free loaders from the continent who are entitled to come and use the NHS infrastructure without putting in.

People got to realize that Governments are not going to always be able to provide such great things paid for by the tax payer if there is not enough tax being collected.

Consider NHS something that exists today and could be gone tomorrow if you are not careful. Cameron wanted to protect the UK’s NHS because why the heck should an EU citizen who just arrived in Britain be entitled to this treasure trove when they haven’t put it?

When workers come to Australia to work, on work visas you are not entitled to Medicare. You need to have insurance. Either have insurance or wing it.

Yes but, the UK citizens too benefited in health care from the other EU member states just as the EU immigrants had in the UK, so the question is, when the EU immigrants would be cut off from health services in the UK for at least for 7 years, would the same happen/happened to U.K. citizens in the rest of EU states. I believe the UK citizens would have continued getting benefits outside the UK while the EU citizens would have been denied the same in the UK. How fair is that?

[Paphitis]

Yes but, the UK citizens too benefited in health care from the other EU member states just as the EU immigrants had in the UK, so the question is, when the EU immigrants would be cut off from health services in the UK for at least for 7 years, would the same happen/happened to U.K. citizens in the rest of EU states. I believe the UK citizens would have continued getting benefits outside the UK while the EU citizens would have been denied the same in the UK. How fair is that?

What health care did they benefit from Kikapu?

Does Cyprus have the same level of health care as Britain? How about Greece? Correct me if I’m wrong but despite many years of fiscally tight Conservative Governments, Britain is probably the closest any country can get to a Socialist utopia where the taxpayer provides health coverage to the poor and vulnerable. The rest of Europe may be on par with the USA which is a user pays system. And if you are poor it’s difficult but the worker there pays lower tax and needs to provide for themselves.

I’m not saying the British system is perfect. There is no such thing but it is better in my opinion to the rest of Europe and better than the USA. That would make Britain a desirable place to live in aside from the gloomy weather.

I am a big supporter of things like Medicare and NHS and I feel lucky to be living in a country which tries to provide a minimum level of cover because I believe health care should be accessible to the poor, elderly, unemployed and vulnerable.

Britain does that. The closest anyone is gonna get to socialism. Which is an unworkable system. And I am right leaning.

[Paphitis]

And make no mistake about it folks. Conservative governments are the types of Governments that lay the foundations to provide such benefits to the vulnerable.

Conservative Governments build nations and create the balances to provide, whilst radical Governments fuck it all up and destroy the poor the vulnerable and bring nations to their knees. Look at Greece.

History tells no lies.

[Kikapu]

Well, lets ask RH who is a UK citizen living in Cyprus for 20+ years in what benefits he receives in Cyprus, if any, as a EU citizen and what would happen to it if he does in a no deal Brexit?

[Robin Hood]

Kikapu:

Yes but, the UK citizens too benefited in health care from the other EU member states just as the EU immigrants had in the UK, so the question is, when the EU immigrants would be cut off from health services in the UK for at least for 7 years, would the same happen/happened to U.K. citizens in the rest of EU states. I believe the UK citizens would have continued getting benefits outside the UK while the EU citizens would have been denied the same in the UK. How fair is that?

You overlook the fact that what we as UK ex-pats get in the Cyprus GHS is a reciprocal arrangement between the two countries. It is not a blanket cover because we are EU passport holders.

By all means give immigrants, any immigrants, basic health care and basic social facilities but not an open door for all heath care and social benefits that are sometimes even denied to UK people who have contributed to it. When entering the UK they should be made to provide insurance or prove they are entitled to reciprocal cover by arrangement with their country of origin like the EU Medical Card and the acknowledgement from the country of origin by settling the bill BEFORE the NHS gives anything other than emergency treatment.

I recently saw a truly enormous amount of money, millions, quoted as being owed to the NHS by EU citizens who come to the UK for treatment and where their own country never settles the bill. That is abuse of the NHS.

[cyprusgrump]

Well, lets ask RH who is a UK citizen living in Cyprus for 20+ years in what benefits he receives in Cyprus, if any, as a EU citizen and what would happen to it if he does in a no deal Brexit?

I've lived in Cyprus for nearly 17 years and I don't get anything...

Each time I have applied for my Aliens Book/Pink Slip/Yellow Slip/MEU1/MEU3 I have had to prove that I have private medical cover before the right to remain has been granted.

Pensioners receiving the UK State Pension get a reciprocal arrangement allowing them access to 'free' medical care...

It is only now under GESY (which is of course contributory) that I can have access if I chose to the Cyprus 'NHS'...

[Lordo]

And make no mistake about it folks. Conservative governments are the types of Governments that lay the foundations to provide such benefits to the vulnerable.

Conservative Governments build nations and create the balances to provide, whilst radical Governments fuck it all up and destroy the poor the vulnerable and bring nations to their knees. Look at Greece.

History tells no lies.

how can you expect anybody to work for 7 years contribute into the system with tax and insurance without being able to claim. the law in uk is already balanced and could have easily applied the same law regarding any benefits to be the same as everybody else. there are certain benefits you cannot claim after leaving education unless you have contributed to them andothers are deemed necessary sothey are given.

this was never an issue, it just played well with the stupid cluless people to join their real plan whish was to blackmail eu to allowing them to remove eu human rights for all british citizens and the new financial rules to applying to the city of london.

and of course it also played with stupid tory members and supporters from supporting ukip. ironically they will not be able to do any and will not even stop ukip taking enough votes from to to be out of power till they come to their senses.

step one pass a no-confidence motion against bojo, that will happen in the first week of september.

[Paphitis]

Well, lets ask RH who is a UK citizen living in Cyprus for 20+ years in what benefits he receives in Cyprus, if any, as a EU citizen and what would happen to it if he does in a no deal Brexit?

I am not knocking Cyprus Kikapu but the level of health care in Cyprus is basic.

Even the USA trumps Cyprus and I am not particularly a fan of the American system but can understand their approach because of the lower tax regime which requires extra discipline from the masses to provide for themselves which invariably they do not.

As I said, I support the British NHS system and the Aussie Medicare System. It’s the best in the world. Facts are facts. But it also comes at a cost to the worker. Yes I agree with you as it’s not free.

But for a few bucks out of everyone’s pay check it provides for the vulnerable which is a good thing. It’s not fair to see our elderly out in the cold. They raised us and we are responsible for their welfare too.