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[Paphitis]

HAMMOND HIMSELF SAID VOTING LEAVE COULD LEAD TO NO DEAL

The latest mendacious line to come from the hard Remain camp is that “nobody was told that voting Leave could lead to no deal”, with Philip Hammond going into overdrive this morning and claiming it is a “total travesty of the truth”. The problem is, as usual, it’s the Remainer line that is a “total travesty of the truth”.

Change Britain have looked at what Remainer politicians actually said and, surprise surprise, everyone from David Cameron and George Osborne to Dominic Grieve and Hilary Benn repeatedly warned voters that voting Leave would lead to Britain leaving the EU after two years, deal or no deal. Along with a certain Rt Hon. Philip Hammond M.P. at the Despatch Box in the House of Commons…

and of course what was the brexiteers comment regarding these warnings? Do you remember? they were acused of "project fear", that it would never happen becasue the germans and french will make a deal with us. like hell they could. only last week bojo declared that leaving the eu without a deal is a million to one. i mean the lies are continuing while they are spending money left right an centre to prpare for no deal. prepare for what? we will not be able to continue to trade under the wto rules becasue we have no schedules approved, there are thousands of product groups and there are thousands of products in each group to negotiate. my god there is being dense, and there is being dense. we have to find a new word

you can bury your head under the sand all you like. the enormity of leaving the eu is still not relaised by some including yourself. gradually people are begining to realise that it simply cannot be done. it takes years to agree on the wto schedules and the only solution the brexiteers have come up with of zero rate tax for everything. they don't even ralise the consequences of this simple act. i wonder if you do? what would happen to our economy if we zero-rated all our imports and at the same time all wto members applied their taxes on all our exports which they will do?

do you even understand why countries on wto rules apply taxes on their imports?

oh and by the way, if you think that we had problem with 27 countries agreeing with us in the eu, you got a nice surprise coming with trying to agree with 160 countries round the world. after all all of them individually have the right to block your wto specs.

how can what seems like an normal man be so stupid?

here is one for you, EU boats will not be allowed to fish in British wagers.

Britain can ban Hiawei on its own as well.

And can enter into free trade deals with the US and Australia.

All I see is plenty of upside!

Dang!

its funny how usa only yesterday proposed a free trade deal with uk but one sector at a time. gues who this would favour? funny enough though the eu also proposed this sector by sector to the americans and they refused it. i wonder why?

as too free trade deal with australia, you keep your hormone fed beef to yourselves. and the yanks can keep their beef and chickens too. thanks but no thanks.

What the hell are you talking about.

We got FTDs with the USA and we do very well out of it too.

You are just scaremongering. If the US has a FTD with the UK, then it would be a win win for both parties and not a one sided affair.

OK we will keep our WAGYU Beef away from you. We got nice horse meat we can sell you very very cheap!

Oh wait! The EU has the horse meat trade all sown up!

[miltiades]

Those that claim Boris is 'scared' to call an election seem not to have heard of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011

Shame.

After BREXIT, BOJO would have otherwise have called an election and won a landslide victory!

Another...prediction by he Genetal , bound to be wrong. Any more ? Where will the pound be after Brexit, if it happens, lets say by the end of December 2019. Your prediction will be much appreciated

[Paphitis]

Those that claim Boris is 'scared' to call an election seem not to have heard of the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011

Shame.

After BREXIT, BOJO would have otherwise have called an election and won a landslide victory!

Another...prediction by he Genetal , bound to be wrong. Any more ? Where will the pound be after Brexit, if it happens, lets say by the end of December 2019. Your prediction will be much appreciated

How do you know?

I'm already ahead of you because I predicted BOJO to be PM and you didn't because you are a fool!

Everyone could see BOJO had this in the bag!

[cyprusgrump]

HAMMOND: WTO IS THE “ONLY HONEST MODEL”

Philip Hammond’s failing attempts to rewrite history have run up against the inconvenient fact that there is a wealth of video evidence out there disproving his central claim that voters weren’t told before the referendum that voting to Leave could mean leaving without a deal. In fact they got stark warnings from a wide range of the most senior Remain politicians including himself. This latest clip, at Chatham House in March 2016, is the icing on the cake:

“Let’s look for a moment now at the default option – the World Trade Organization rules, which is where we will end up if we leave the EU without a deal agreed. For anyone who wants to ensure a clean break with the EU, the WTO is the only honest model.”

What was that Hammond was saying about a “travesty of the truth”…?

[Lordo]

HAMMOND: WTO IS THE “ONLY HONEST MODEL”

Philip Hammond’s failing attempts to rewrite history have run up against the inconvenient fact that there is a wealth of video evidence out there disproving his central claim that voters weren’t told before the referendum that voting to Leave could mean leaving without a deal. In fact they got stark warnings from a wide range of the most senior Remain politicians including himself. This latest clip, at Chatham House in March 2016, is the icing on the cake:

“Let’s look for a moment now at the default option – the World Trade Organization rules, which is where we will end up if we leave the EU without a deal agreed. For anyone who wants to ensure a clean break with the EU, the WTO is the only honest model.”

What was that Hammond was saying about a “travesty of the truth”…?

and yet even last week bojo said the chance of no-deal brexit is a million to one. did a single brexiteer claim that it was a good idea to go to wto rules and and that that is what they were aiming for?
feel free to show a clip of a single brexiteers caliming that brexit is about no deal brexit. just one if you don't mind.

fat chance.

[cyprusgrump]

Interesting article...

Europe’s security depends on British and American generosity

So who supports European integration? Who protects the lofty ideals of the EU and Mr Juncker from predatory forces? The United States certainly does, despite the howl of denigration of Europe from President Donald Trump. But so does the UK, another country many EU officials have scorned, not least since it decided to leave the EU. The fact that Britain has met Nato’s defence spending goal every year since it was agreed in 2006, helping its European allies remain prosperous and free, suggests that the EU’s officials should treat the UK with greater respect than they sometimes have. At some $285.5 billion over the past five years, Britain’s defence budget has been by some margin the second largest in Nato, and the largest in the EU. Indeed, insofar as it has exceeded Nato’s guideline, the UK has effectively subsidised European security to the tune of $23 billion over the past five years. So, far from being a vandal, Britain has continued to behave as a leading custodian of the European peace.

The wealthier Europeans, of course, want no attention drawn to their inability to protect their integrationist dream. They will respond by claiming that the EU is distinct from Nato, or even that the EU bears greater responsibility for European peace. Yet such assertions are as mythical as they are false. European integration is a product of peace and security on the mainland, not its cause. So while the EU has undoubtedly helped to dampen distrust between ancient opponents, the real reason order finally emerged in Europe, and indeed, across most of the Euro-Atlantic region, is because of the commitment of the UK and US. They have been willing to cough up the cash to provide sophisticated armed forces and nuclear systems to deter countries – both within and without Nato, and by extension the EU – from disrupting the status quo.

[Lordo]

interesting interview with fox baby. now where does he mention that wto is a realistic option or even a prefered option or even likely?
his hopes were the eu will cave in. like hell they will.

but notice he is totally oblivious to what it will take to actually trade under wto

[Lordo]

Interesting article...

Europe’s security depends on British and American generosity

So who supports European integration? Who protects the lofty ideals of the EU and Mr Juncker from predatory forces? The United States certainly does, despite the howl of denigration of Europe from President Donald Trump. But so does the UK, another country many EU officials have scorned, not least since it decided to leave the EU. The fact that Britain has met Nato’s defence spending goal every year since it was agreed in 2006, helping its European allies remain prosperous and free, suggests that the EU’s officials should treat the UK with greater respect than they sometimes have. At some $285.5 billion over the past five years, Britain’s defence budget has been by some margin the second largest in Nato, and the largest in the EU. Indeed, insofar as it has exceeded Nato’s guideline, the UK has effectively subsidised European security to the tune of $23 billion over the past five years. So, far from being a vandal, Britain has continued to behave as a leading custodian of the European peace.

The wealthier Europeans, of course, want no attention drawn to their inability to protect their integrationist dream. They will respond by claiming that the EU is distinct from Nato, or even that the EU bears greater responsibility for European peace. Yet such assertions are as mythical as they are false. European integration is a product of peace and security on the mainland, not its cause. So while the EU has undoubtedly helped to dampen distrust between ancient opponents, the real reason order finally emerged in Europe, and indeed, across most of the Euro-Atlantic region, is because of the commitment of the UK and US. They have been willing to cough up the cash to provide sophisticated armed forces and nuclear systems to deter countries – both within and without Nato, and by extension the EU – from disrupting the status quo.

of course the americans and the brits saved the europeans from the germans right? like hell they did. whilst the yanks and the brits were fighting 6 division of hermans in the west, the russions were fighting over 150 divisions.

as to european protection, the only thing nato serves is the american interests by compelling the europeans to buy their weapons. they can up their stiks and piss off. and so can the brits piss off from germany too.

if there were no american nuclear weapons in the eu there would be no russian nuces pointing this way.

[cyprusgrump]

CONTRACTING GERMANY SET ON RECESSION COURSE

This morning saw the publication of dire statistics for the German economy, which contracted this quarter with many voices now predicting that the struggling country is likely on course for recession. Now it’s not just the German Chancellor that’s looking shaky…

Unlike the UK’s contraction this quarter, the German one is based on much less sound fundamentals. Overall year on year, the German economy’s growth rate is just 0.4% compared to the UK’s 1.2%. The Chief Business Editor of respected German broadsheet Welt has said that Germany has become “the sick man of Europe”.

GDP has now fallen in two of the last four quarters in both Germany and Italy. The last thing European countries want right now is a disorderly No Deal exit for Britain from the EU…

[Paphitis]

People's Question Time with BOJO!



Well, he is very clear. Looks like NO DEAL is ON for the 31st of October if the EU don't compromise.