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[erolz66]

PS Maximus I am working on a assumption here that you do think migrants should be able to get their full legal rights here and have assistance to do so if they are unable to ? If you could confirm that you do think this, I would welcome such rather than just working on assumption.

Yes, but I would not support mass uncontrolled migration and then burden the tax payer to give it to them.

Is that the law of the RoC on migrants currently ? That it supports or promotes mass uncontrolled migration ? That is migration without any limits at all ? Has this KISA guy advocated for such a system of migration in the RoC ?

[Maximus]

No look,

We are seeing an unprecedented wave of migration to eu countries in these recent times. Cyprus is receiving more migrants per capita than any other eu country.

Some countries are acting as conduit for this.

People are turning up on countries shores in mass, claiming asylum or for economic reasons. Still trying to find legal loop holes so they can stay.

Are you saying that this is something that the tax payer should support?

Legal, controlled migration, does not require that the host country provide legal support and assistance. At least, I wouldn’t think so.....

[erolz66]

No look,

We are seeing an unprecedented wave of migration to eu countries in these recent times. Cyprus is receiving more migrants per capital than any other eu country.

Some countries are acting as conduit for this.

People are turning up on countries shores in mass, claiming asylum or for economic reasons. Still trying to find legal loop holes so they can stay.

Are you saying that this is something that the tax payer should support?

Legal, controlled migration, does not require that the host country provide legal support and assistance. At least, I wouldn’t think so.....

Well firstly I would say that my views on migration are informed by being the son of a migrant. One that migrated from Cyprus to the UK.

I think economic migrants should not be allowed to get away with pretending they are genuine asylum seekers as a means to subvert the law. However I do also recognise that for genuine asylum seekers, or legal economic migrants for that matter, they are weak in comparison to the 'state' and extremely vulnerable to having their legal rights denied them. The whole 'windrush' scandal in the UK is evidence of this to give one example. Thus I think they should be given help if necessary in any process that is there to establish what their legal status is.

[Maximus]

Legal, controlled migration is one thing.

As far as I know, you apply from your host country and fund it yourself. you are either denied or accepted residence by the host country. You enter, your host country through a legal port with your documents.

Asylum seeking and mass uncontrolled migration is something else. You just turn up with your story. Maybe with no documents. Usually, they require housing and benefits, such as legal support.

I think you catch my drift.

Organizations like KISA don’t care for the difference.

Mass uncontrolled migration - so what, they would probably say and expect the tax payer to shoulder the burden.

[Paphitis]

https://www.sigmalive.com/news/local/581244/epeisodio-ekso-apta-grafeia-tou-kisa-synelavan-ton-doro-polykarpou

That's good news Kurupetos!

Cyprus can't afford to catch the EU disease and go down that road.

Don't listed to anyone and lock down all the borders and close the Green Line as well to prevent criminals from passing this porous line.

[Paphitis]

It is alleged, that He is helping them find loopholes in the law to prolong their Stay and is making money off of it.

Look at this example,

He is obstructing the police from arresting an underage boy riding a stolen motorcycle. Why? Is it because the boy is foreign?

This is a radical extremist that has the (potential) to create disasters with his ideology.

Charge him and jail him.

[Sotos]

I don't know any details about this specific case, but what I do know is that if this was a Cypriot boy that was being arrested his parents would also "intervene" and they would use all their connections to get the best result for their son no matter what he did. So I don't think this boy having somebody on his side is a bad thing. Polycarpou will probably be able to do less for him than what most Cypriot parents could do for their child, so his involvement will not result in the immigrant teenager getting a lower sentence than what a Cypriot would get.

[Paphitis]

I don't know any details about this specific case, but what I do know is that if this was a Cypriot boy that was being arrested his parents would also "intervene" and they would use all their connections to get the best result for their son no matter what he did. So I don't think this boy having somebody on his side is a bad thing. Polycarpou will probably be able to do less for him than what most Cypriot parents could do for their child, so his involvement will not result in the immigrant teenager getting a lower sentence than what a Cypriot would get.

That happens everywhere mate.

Let's say you were in Australia and had a child in trouble, you as a parent would strive to get the best lawyer to get the best outcome for them. You would spend any amount of money. I know I would.

And I believe that the legal system is built for the rich. The bigger lawyer you can afford and the more money you spend that the more likelihood things will pan out in your favour.

It's not fair I know. It's just the way it is.

The prison systems in the west are full of hard luck stories and the majority of inmates are from under-privileged sections of society. There are well off people in jail as well, but they are not adequately represented according to their population which means they are better able to pull strings as well when they do get in trouble as well as less likely to engage in crime to begin with.

[Maximus]

Beat me to it paphitis,

Having someone on your side, is not a bad thing. normally you would get a defense lawyer.

But;

Polycarbonate doesn’t get to decide who gets arrested and who doesn’t.

This is the point really.

I speculate here, that he probably sees things through a racist filter and this is what motivated him to intervene above all else. Any crimes that the foreign boy may have committed are a distant after thought in his mind and are not important.

He is a racist on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

[Paphitis]

Beat me too it paphitis,

Having someone on your side, is not a bad thing. normally you would get a defense lawyer.

But;

Polycarbonate doesn’t get to decide who gets arrested and who doesn’t.

This is the point really.

I speculate here, that he probably sees things through a racist filter and this is what motivated him to intervene above all else. Any crimes that the foreign boy may have committed are a distant after thought in his mind and are not important.

He is a racist on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

At the end of the day, everyone has a right to a proper defense. If this is the guy's agenda then no problem.

But if the agenda is to get the kid off because he is a foreigner, then no, that is just not on. believe me, there are these kinds of imbeciles everywhere. Look at the USA and a Democrat Senator by the name of Cortez. In fact look at some other Democrat Senators known as "The Squad"

Have you seen the Democratic Debate recently? Look at what Bernie Sanders stands for and there are a couple more who are even more nuts than Bernie.

This is the reason why the Americans voted for Trump and will vote for Trump again. Trump really has their number too and is winning the game across all fronts. Clearly, he is no fool.