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[Maximus]

But what I am saying is that the original state of affairs was cause to create the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

The point you are trying to make is that Israel can occupy Palestinian land, resulting from that conflict because she is surrounded by other states.

Does that make sense?

[Robin Hood]

The point I am trying to make is that when one state cuts across and disconnects another, it would be a source of conflict.

Jordan and Egypt are separate states.

What are you arguing about? What is the point you are trying to make?

He doesn't have a point .... he just opens his mouth and his two neuron brain spew out totally unrelated rubbish ! Just ignore him .... it will only turn the thread into another tirade of Paphits' self-adoration.

[Robin Hood]

Maximus:

But what I am saying is that the original state of affairs was cause to create the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

What do you mean by the 'original state of affairs' ?

The original state was that there was no Israel, the region was known as Palestine and sometimes The Holy Land. Under the UN Partition plan, Israel were to get 55% but less than 6% of that was actually owned by Zionists, the rest was owned by Palestinians mainly ...... but the Israeli's took that to 78% between 1948 and 1967, After the 1967 6-day war, that incidentally was started by Israel, by the spoils of war, they increased that theft to 98%.

This may be of interest:

https://ifamericansknew.org/history/maps.html

(In fact the ‘If Americans Knew’ web site is full of accurate information, although, because of the content which is all the facts not normally know about the conflict, as such it has a Palestinian bias. It goes right back to the very beginning ..... about 2000 years! Their content has been independently Media Fact/Bias checked and the factual content is rated as HIGH.)

The point you are trying to make is that Israel can occupy Palestinian land, resulting from that conflict because she is surrounded by other states.

Paphits has no idea what he is talking about, he just repeats what he hears without any background understanding of events at all.

Does that make sense?

No...... that is just propaganda, the history is far more complex than that! It is worth reading up on if you are interested in these events. After all they are 'local'.

[Maximus]

So are you saying that Israel and Jews don’t have a right to be there?

What I mean by the original state of affairs is the un partition plan of 1947.

[Robin Hood]

Maximus:

So are you saying that Israel and Jews don’t have a right to be there?

Jews have always lived in Palestine but they were a small minority. Until Zionism raised its ugly head all the religions lived relatively peacefully until it was obvious that the Zionists, spurred on by the Balfour Declaration decided to expand their land ownership. Even then in 1948 they owned less than 6%.

Was there an agreement? There was the Balfour Agreement but that was conditional on Israel being declared as the Jewish Homeland .....providing it did not affect the rights of those people who already lived there and they would be treated equally. The Zionists ignored that stipulation completely, it never figured in their game plan.

What I mean by the original state of affairs is the UN partition plan of 1947.

The UN for some reason decided that outside colonial powers would decide on who got what .....rather than the self determination of the population, but it was NEVER implemented, as the Zionists had their own agenda, an agenda they had progressed with since the 1920’s. So the UN plan 181 plays little or no part in what happened.

The link I gave you shows Palestine prior to 1948. A diminishing Palestine up to 1967 and the fact that 98% of original Palestinian lands now are not only declared as the Jewish State of Israel but Palestinians have been almost completely dispossessed of their lands.

The Ground Zero of this conflict was the 14th May 1948 ...... that was the day Israel created itself as a sovereign State by unilateral declaration. The US recognised this declaration within minutes of the Israeli statement and have supported everything Israel has done ever since no matter what! Because Zionists dominate the US administration!

There are 89 Senators and members of Congress that are known to be dual US/Israeli citizens, that is a conservative figure. It is something these people do not want the Americans to pick up on. Joe Biden is a self declared Zionist and you don’t have to look too hard at the Trump administration to see the Israeli/Zionist influencers. As the saying goes “You cannot serve two Masters!”

So there is little wonder there is conflict. Imagine 2½ times the population of Cyprus squeezed into Limassol, with electricity and water supplies controlled by The Turks and the Turks having Limassol in a total land/sea/air blockade. GC’s cannot move out of this area which is surrounded by walls 25ft high and watch towers every couple of hundred meters and citizens are shot at by Turkish soldiers every time they protest their plight and are arrested and imprisoned without trial. How do you think the Greek Cypriots would feel?

I am afraid that to believe Israel is Cyprus’ devoted and reliable ally is rather naive! If Erdogan made them an offer they couldn’t refuse they would dump the RoC without a second thought and the US/UK/EU would be right at their side.

[Paphitis]

It takes 2 to tango and israel and whilst the other side is unwilling to even talk with Israel it really is impossible.

A few things need to occur, Hezbollah must leave Lebanon and and Syris for a start. And Hamaz need to cut the Death to Israel rhetoric, and its terrorism activities and rocket attacks.

[Robin Hood]

It takes 2 to tango and israel and whilst the other side is unwilling to even talk with Israel it really is impossible.

A few things need to occur, Hezbollah must leave Lebanon and and Syris for a start. And Hamaz need to cut the Death to Israel rhetoric, and its terrorism activities and rocket attacks.

Would you want to 'negotiate' with a thief that was reluctantly prepared to give you back a small fraction of what they had stolen?
You will get no settlement until the fundamental reason for the hostility and conflict is addressed, and that reason is the illegal seizure of another's lands and treating it as the 'spoils of War' ....... which again is contrary to the UN Charter and International Law.


The rest of the post you made is rubbish! You clearly know nothing about the subject and just repeat Zionist propaganda. FYI:

Hezbollah and Hamas were created BECAUSE of Israeli aggression. Israeli aggression preceded the formation of both.

You have it arse about face again ..... it is Israel that should leave the lands they stole from Palestine, Lebanon, Jordon and Syria.

Rocket attacks on Israeli occupied areas of Palestine by Hamas or Hezbollah are in fact legal! They are firing them, usually in response to Israeli aggression, at the occupiers of their lands, just like the resistance fighters in European countries did against the Nazi's in WWII.

Hezbollah are in Syria at the behest of the elected and internationally recognised Government of Syria (your opinion does not count!), as are Russian and Iranian forces.

As I have explained to you several times before, the presence of US Coalition forces in Syria is contrary to International Law. No coalition country has been attacked, they have not been requested to be there by the Syrian government and they have no UN Mandate to be there. It is US coalition interference in Syria that has prolonged the conflict and made them the cause of millions of casualties.

But this has little or nothing to do with the OP which is about the Israeli treatment of Palestinians that you don't see referenced in the media.

[Humanist1]

Seriously I cannot see the difference between what Hitler did and what the Israelis are doing today to the palestinian people and I don’t care if I am barred from visiting their ruthless Country. I cannot stand jewish behaviour toward poor people of Palestine.

[Paphitis]

Treatment of Palestinians.

they have representatives as Israeli Citizens in the Knesset. They have human rights and western style freedoms.

Mmmm...The Israelis don't look as bad as the Mullah's do when it comes to treatment.

Now, let's look at the flip side if Hamas or Hestikboula win. Israelis driven into the Mediterranean.

[Paphitis]

Seriously I cannot see the difference between what Hitler did and what the Israelis are doing today to the palestinian people and I don’t care if I am barred from visiting their ruthless Country. I cannot stand jewish behaviour toward poor people of Palestine.

Really? No difference at all?

Did the Jews have any seats in the Third Reich's Chancellory?

Honestly humanist. Get a grip and apply some common sense and perspective please.